Supermassive BHs: Forming Farthest Quasars

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The discussion explores the formation of supermassive black holes (BHs) and their connection to distant quasars through a thought experiment. It posits that primordial black holes, when colliding at near-light speeds, could merge and create significantly more mass than their individual components. The conversation touches on the nature of singularities, suggesting they may not exist in nature, and emphasizes the challenges of reconciling relativity with quantum theory. Additionally, it theorizes that during the early moments of the Big Bang, black holes could have formed and merged, contributing to the mass of supermassive black holes detectable today. The idea of gravity being emergent before the first Planck time is also discussed, suggesting implications for the universe's inflation and structure.
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I know I am way out of my league but I have a thought experiment concerning BHs and I am trying to fathom super massive BHs with the limited amount of time for them to form to create the farthest Quasars. In my thought experiment I envision a black hole not to be a point but the Planck length in diameter. The BHs have no charge and are non rotating. If a primortial BH were traveling close to C and collided with another BH traveling close to C and collided at the exact center of each other I think they would merge and stop in space with a much larger amount of mass than BH1 and BH2 conbined. Probably a mass increase in the amount of billions of times BH1 and BH2 combined. I have read on this forum that singularities are not possible in nature. This is a dumb question but I think it is possible.
 
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I know I am way out of my league but I have a thought experiment concerning BHs and I am trying to fathom super massive BHs with the limited amount of time for them to form to create the farthest Quasars. In my thought experiment I envision a black hole not to be a point but the Planck length in diameter. The BHs have no charge and are non rotating. If a primortial BH were traveling close to C and collided with another BH traveling close to C and collided at the exact center of each other I think they would merge and stop in space with a much larger amount of mass than BH1 and BH2 conbined. Probably a mass increase in the amount of billions of times BH1 and BH2 combined. I have read on this forum that singularities are not possible in nature. This is a dumb question but I think it is possible.
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I know very little also, but where would your extra mass come from ?
 
The exterior of a black hole has a radius proportional to its mass. What is going on inside is unknown. Relativity and quantum theory cannot be reconciled. Singularity comes from relativity without taking quantum theory into account.
 
The Planck length is merely a convenient unit with respect to the speed of light. c is the only reliable constant in the Einstein version of our universe. Units of measure are otherwise meaningless. If you check the NST tables, you will notice Planck units incorporate a 'c' component in the calculation.
 
Thanks for responding to the layman. I kept the first post short because I enjoy, and am sure others do, reading short posts.

My thought experiment concerns the Big Bang. In the first few moments of creation I envision a Black Hole growing out of nothing that has the entire mass of our universe. In these first few moments this single large Black Hole changes into a lot of mini/micro black holes before matter is formed. During these first few moments these small Black Holes are colliding and merging enough to form even larger ones and then even larger ones until finally some become so massive as to to create the super massive Black Holes that we can detect from the farthest Quasars. Once the infant universe got a little larger the merging stopped. Most of the micro/mini Black Holes would evaporate during these first few moments creating the energy to keep pushing outward.
 
Aye, but here is the rub . . . gravity is emergent. It does not exist before the first Planck tick of time in the big bang model. By the 'time' gravity emerges in our observable universe, the universe is inflating too rapidly for gravity to repent. Perhaps our universe made a nigh infinite number of attempts to 'big bang' its way into existence, but, gravity only let its guard down during the last cycle . . . an 'asleep at the wheel' explanation.
 
In answer to wolram, when the primortial micro BHs collided from opposite directions at the direct center and merged the extra mass would come from conservation of energy.
 
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