Few questions about surface area and volume

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The discussion centers on the mathematical derivation of the volume of a sphere, specifically the significance of the (4/3) factor in the formula V = (4/3) * pi * r^3. This factor arises from geometric principles and integration related to the surface area of a sphere. The conversation also touches on the surface area of an equilateral triangle, where sqrt(3)/4 * a^2 is explained as a geometric constant. Participants speculate about the physical representation of these constants and their potential connections to higher dimensions, although this idea is met with skepticism. Overall, the thread explores the mathematical foundations and interpretations of these geometric formulas.
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When calculating the volume of a sphere, what does (4/3) represent? Why is it (4/3) * pi * r^3 .. and not some other number/fraction?

I'm also curious about the surface area of equilateral triangle. Why is it sqrt(3)/4 * a^2 ... What does sqrt(3)/4 physically represent in the geometry?
 
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Well, if you rewrite the volume for the ball as V=\frac{1}{3}*4\pi{r}^{3}, recognize that this can be further simplified as:
V=\frac{1}{3}*r*S where S is the surface area of the sphere.

Thus, the volume of the ball is equal to the volume of a cone of height "r" and base area S.

This is the gist result of how Archimedes proved the formula.
 
Thanks. Here's what I just came up with for a possible physical (?) representation..

since, pi is the same as (2*pi*r)/(2*r)

V = ((4) * (2*pi*r) * (r^3)) / ((3) * (2*r))

or

V = (8 * pi * r^4) / (6 * r)


V = (4 * circumference) / (6 * radius)


Would the numerator represent 4 dimensions? Seems weird.
 
cowah22 said:
Thanks. Here's what I just came up with for a possible physical (?) representation..

since, pi is the same as (2*pi*r)/(2*r)

V = ((4) * (2*pi*r) * (r^3)) / ((3) * (2*r))

or

V = (8 * pi * r^4) / (6 * r)


V = (4 * circumference) / (6 * radius)


Would the numerator represent 4 dimensions? Seems weird.
Since you are working in 3 dimensions, I doubt that! And 2 pi r^4 is the circumference of what?
 
I meant,

V = (4/3 * pi * r^3) = (8 * pi * r^4) / (6 * r)

Which could be considered a ratio between whatever (8 * pi * r^4) is .. and (6 * r) which is (3 * Diameter)

disregard this:
V = (4 * circumference) / (6 * radius)
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Does that make sense?
 
Yes, but then you re-wrote 8*pi*r4 as 4*circumference. So it must be circumference = 2*pi*r4.

I think you're reading too much into what's essentially a constant created by integration (r2 -> r3/3, and the 4 comes from the surface area of a sphere formula)
 
Office_Shredder said:
I think you're reading too much into what's essentially a constant created by integration (r2 -> r3/3, and the 4 comes from the surface area of a sphere formula)
Probably. Does (8*pi*r^4), or (Volume * (3*Diameter)) even have any geometric meaning/significance? I just thought it was interesting to see a 4th dimension in a sphere volume equation.
 
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