Doppler Effect of light ; and electric , magnetic fields

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Doppler Effect of light, particularly in relation to electric and magnetic fields. Participants explore the implications of the Doppler Effect on wave frequency and wavelength, while questioning how this phenomenon can occur if the structure of electric and magnetic fields remains unchanged during motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant queries how the Doppler Effect can occur if electric and magnetic fields do not change their structure when in motion.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on what is meant by "squeezing" or "stretching" of fields and questions the relevance of these terms to the Doppler Effect.
  • A participant asserts that the motion of a charge does affect the shape of the fields it generates, referencing the Liénard–Wiechert fields to support this claim.
  • It is suggested that the Doppler Effect for light operates similarly to that for sound, with frequency changes depending on the relative motion of the source and observer.
  • A mention is made of observing the Doppler Effect at high speeds in bodies orbiting black holes, although no specific article is provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the motion of electric charges and the structure of electric and magnetic fields, indicating a lack of consensus on this point. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these views for the Doppler Effect.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' arguments rely on specific definitions of field behavior and the nature of wave propagation, which may not be universally accepted or understood. The discussion also touches on complex concepts like the Liénard–Wiechert potentials, which may require further clarification for some participants.

A Dhingra
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my query is : The electric and magnetic fields don’t squeeze or stretch then how is Doppler Effect of light possible?

In the phenomenon of Doppler Effect, light emitted from a moving source is detected to have different frequency. If this is taken on terms of detecting the no. of waves passing through the detector in one second it is fine. But according to the principle of relativity, the speed of light is a constant …. It does not change even if its source is moving…. And that means if still Doppler Effect is observed then the frequency, say, has got increased, then the wavelength should decrease to keep the speed of light constant. And as the wavelength appears to decrease though the original emitted one is larger….. it can be visualized as the wave has got squeezed due to its motion. But electric and magnetic fields don’t change their structure even when they are not stationary, i.e., they don’t stretch or squeeze….. Then how is the phenomenon of Doppler Effect of light observed?
 
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What does it mean for a field to squeeze or stretch? What has squeezing or stretching to do with the Doppler effect? I don't understand the terms you are using or the connections you are trying to make.
 
by squeeze and stretch , i mean the shape and structure of the field lines which don't change.
... when the electric charge is in motion, its motion does not affect the shape of the fields, that is, the field is dragged with the charge without getting the distance between the consecutive field lines change.( though that distance is already very small or negligible...)

and the connection is that ,as they remain unaffected, how is Doppler effect possible which calls for the wavelength to change...in a way causing the field lines to get affected by motion...
 
A Dhingra said:
by squeeze and stretch , i mean the shape and structure of the field lines which don't change.
... when the electric charge is in motion, its motion does not affect the shape of the fields
This is incorrect. The motion of a charge very much affects the shape of the fields that it generates. The equation governing that is called the Liénard–Wiechert fields:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liénard–Wiechert_potential
http://fermi.la.asu.edu/PHY531/larmor/index.html

As you can see, the Lienard Wiechert fields are not at all the same as the static field given by Coulomb's law.

In the end, the Doppler effect for light happens the same way as the Doppler effect for sound. To first order, if a wave of frequency f traveling at c is emitted by an object traveling at v then the distance between successive peaks is not c/f but (c±v)/f and therefore the received frequency for a stationary receiver is different from f. Do you understand the Doppler effect for sound?
 
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