So You Want To Be A Physicist Discussion

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The discussion centers around the article "So You Want To Be A Physicist," where the author, ZapperZ, seeks feedback to enhance the series and has begun a prequel aimed at high school students interested in physics. Participants express appreciation for the guidance provided, with some sharing their own experiences in pursuing physics degrees, particularly in the UK. Concerns about academic preparedness and the competitive nature of university applications are discussed, along with the importance of selecting the right institutions based on personal fit and academic goals. Suggestions for additional resources and advice on navigating the academic landscape are also shared. Overall, the thread serves as a supportive platform for aspiring physicists to gather insights and encouragement.
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"So You Want To Be A Physicist" Discussion

Discussion on the article https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=240792" by ZapperZ

Comments, suggestions, questions are welcome.

The series has almost reached the end of its intended purpose. At this point, I'm looking over it to plug some holes into areas that I may have missed, or didn't emphasize enough. So any suggestions you have will definitely be welcomed. I've also started (although haven't gotten too far into it yet) a "prequel" to the series to include preparations for someone still in high school. Hopefully, that will be done soon to compliment what I've written already.

Zz.
 
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hasn't that same thread already been lost a few times before?
 


ZapperZ said:
In case people missed it, the entire series on "So You Want To Be A Physicist" http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=df5w5j9q_5gj6wmt" .

The series has almost reached the end of its intended purpose. At this point, I'm looking over it to plug some holes into areas that I may have missed, or didn't emphasize enough. So any suggestions you have will definitely be welcomed. I've also started (although haven't gotten too far into it yet) a "prequel" to the series to include preparations for someone still in high school. Hopefully, that will be done soon to compliment what I've written already.

Zz.

Great, I'm starting high school this year, and such a prequel would be really helpful.
 
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In Chapter 10 of my "http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=df5w5j9q_5gj6wmt" , especially if he/she is a well-known scientists with a lot of demand on his/her time.

Does your supervisor always seem to address the lab as a whole rather than each of you as individuals with different needs, skills, and abilities? Perhaps in your weekly group meeting, she scans the room, asks, “Everything going okay? Any problems? No? Great,” and then dashes back to her office or to another meeting. This kind of behavior doesn’t make your supervisor a bad person; it may mean she is busy and perhaps insensitive to cues from lab members about the need for regular contact.

Possibly, your supervisor talks to you individually, but he’s a "hit and run" artist, tossing out a query about your progress as he breezes through the lab and then hides behind a stack of journal articles on his desk.

I'd say that this is a very useful essay especially for someone either just about to start a graduate research program, or in the middle of one.

Zz.
 
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I just wanted to say thank you for this really nice essay. It helped quite a lot amidst all the discouraging "advices" I was getting from all sorts of people like: "physics! have you gone mad? How about engineering? you'll make heck of a lot of money, and fast..."
yes, so this helped me a lot more, and I finally got an opinion from someone who's been through it all.
Regards,
A.H.
 


great information, it doesn't directly correlate to me in all ways (being from the uk) but its really good for getting a general idea, thanks for the interesting read.
 


hadronhead said:
great information, it doesn't directly correlate to me in all ways (being from the uk) but its really good for getting a general idea, thanks for the interesting read.

If you think that there are significant differences between what you have to go through in the UK versus what I've described, I'd appreciate it if you could post some comments/examples. While I know a bit about how the system works in the UK, I certainly do not have a good enough idea of it when compared to someone who had gone through it. I certainly intend to include how one becomes a physicist under the UK educational system. I just can't write about it with the same "authority" as I can with the US educational system.

Zz.
 
Defending Your Ph.D Thesis With Flair

In addition to what I had written in my essay on the preparation leading up to one's thesis defense, there is a very http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_development/previous_issues/articles/2008_07_25/caredit_a0800111" on how one should prepare and present one's thesis defense. There are quite a few recommendations there that one might find useful.

Zz.
 
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well id imagine a lot of it is very similar, like making sure you stand out by a certain time, and how to go about your doctoral work etc, id have thought the main differences are on a lower educational level, i couldn't really give you more information than roughly what courses etc youd need to study until you have attained your Mphys degree, but if youd like to include it id be more than happy to help out with your understanding of the uk educational system, sorry if this post seems quick and rushed.. I am in a rush! :p
 
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Nice work, man. I am currently pursuing MSc. Eng. Physics at TU Munich, I have finished the course-work and I am planning to start working on my thesis in October. By the way, I did my BSc. Physics in Germany, too..So, will see if I could give you my experience if necessary, when I have time, of course. I just joined this forum today and honestly I have been really impressed.
 
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It is cool being able to read this essay as I go through the process myself. (Currently on parts V-VI :smile:)

In case I never said it before, this is a great essay and guide Zz. Wonderful job!
 
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hey guys, i was just wondering if you knew of any helpful information for a physics degree in the U.K??
I am halfway through my A-levels and would really like to go on to do a physics degree next year and wondered if there was any info on a U.K degree?
Any help would be appreciated greatly :)
 
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RoryP said:
hey guys, i was just wondering if you knew of any helpful information for a physics degree in the U.K??
I am halfway through my A-levels and would really like to go on to do a physics degree next year and wondered if there was any info on a U.K degree?
Any help would be appreciated greatly :)

I don't think anyone has written anything similar for the UK system, but then I don't think there are too many differences, especially at undergrad. What sort of advice are you after? Have you started looking at universities yet?
 
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oh right ok fair enough. yeah I've been to a few universities so far which have been really good. i only recently took a keen interest in physics and decided to take it for A-level but I am worried that i won't be smart enough to do a degree but i really want to do it. I took a 3 day course at a university last month which i enjoyed but all the other students seemed to have such a better understanding and a better physics background and wondered if it was too late to do a degree?
 
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RoryP said:
oh right ok fair enough. yeah I've been to a few universities so far which have been really good. i only recently took a keen interest in physics and decided to take it for A-level but I am worried that i won't be smart enough to do a degree but i really want to do it. I took a 3 day course at a university last month which i enjoyed but all the other students seemed to have such a better understanding and a better physics background and wondered if it was too late to do a degree?

What A levels are you taking? I would expect someone intending to do a physics degree (and succeed) to be taking at least Physics and Maths, with a view to obtaining an A in at least Physics. Which universities have you been looking at?
 
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Im taking Maths Physics and Sport Science. Yeah that's what i thought, well from the internal tests I've been achieving B's and A's in both maths and physics. I've been to Exeter, Southampton and Bristol so far.
 
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RoryP said:
Im taking Maths Physics and Sport Science. Yeah that's what i thought, well from the internal tests I've been achieving B's and A's in both maths and physics.
Ok, well that's a good sign.
Ive been to Exeter, Southampton and Bristol so far.
I'm guessing you live somewhere in the south/southeast then. I'm not sure what the entrance requirements are for those universities, but I would say that you should apply to a range of universities. So, have one that you think will be a push to reach, have the bulk of universities that you would hope to get into, and then have one "insurance" which requires lower grades that you will definitely get into. These all depend on your predicted grades, so probably wait until you've got your AS results before deciding too much about these. Other advice: make sure you go and visit the universities and the departments you apply to. Try and ask the students and (if necessary) faculty questions if you are unsure about anything. Ask the students about practical things: what are the lecturers like, what is the accommodation like, how expensive is it to live in such and such a city, what sport cloubs/societies are good, etc, etc. Try and get to have a look around the accommodation if you can, although not all universities have the facilities for this.

Personally, I think it's more important that you pick a univeristy that you think you're going to enjoy spending your time attending, and a city that you will enjoy living in. So long as you pick a decent enough university, the departments will all be very similar quality-wise, and it will be difficult to pick somewhere solely based on this.
 
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yes i live just south of bristol. well it differs, exeter requires BBC and Southampton requires AAB but not sure about Bristol. Yeah i get my AS results tomorrow so will have a better idea then i suppose. Yeah I've done open days for all of the ones I've mentioned so i have a good idea what they are about.
Thank you for your help!
 
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thank you thank you thank you!
AHHH I want to specialize in everything! But I can't :C
 
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The times guide is essential reading:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/education/good_university_guide/

Why mess about? Apply for Cambridge, Oxford and Imperial. If you fail to get in, then you can easily get in somewhere through clearing.

You will probably need straight As.

The sports science might be a plus for Oxbridge. Boat race, Roger Bannister, etc. They like their sporting traditions. If you're actually any good at a serious sport then it might help.

They also like to see you reading around, gives then something to talk about at interview (besides sport!). Recommendation -- read Feynman's lectures volume 1 and Tim Gowers Mathematics: A Very Short Introduction. That'll impress them. They are also great reads, and should help bolster your A level work.

If you're getting A/Bs then you can get As. Time to knuckle down.
 
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mal4mac said:
Why mess about? Apply for Cambridge, Oxford and Imperial. If you fail to get in, then you can easily get in somewhere through clearing.

But will that 'somewhere' be good enough? I would not advise people to only apply to those three universities, since if they don't get in then they will have to settle for a lower tier university. You should at least apply to other universities that have slightly lower requests, since then you will be confirmed a place (if you set it as your insurance) should you not meet the grades for whichever you put as your firm.

Also, note that not everyone wants to go to Oxford or Cambridge.
 
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oh great thanks for the infomation, was really helpfull!
i didnt realize the Feynman lectures were so expensive! i just bought that Tim Gowers book, that wasnt so expensive!
well i don't think i will be applying to oxbridge! is there any universities you would reccomend? i got A in maths and B in physics but I am going to re-sit one of the physics modules to hopefully get an A.
 
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In Chapter XIII of my "http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=df5w5j9q_5gj6wmt&hl=en"", I briefly described what you need to do after you receive either a reply from a journal editor, and/or the referee reports of the manuscript you submitted. I described a bit what happened if your initial submission does not get accepted outright.

Science's career guidance section has http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2008_08_15/caredit.a0800123" , especially if your paper got rejected. At one point or another, everyone who has done a lot of submission to various journals, especially prestigious ones, will be faced with something similar to this. So scientists starting out might as well learn a bit more on how to deal with it and what to do.

A very good article to read.

Zz.
 
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Brilliant guide, Zapper!

I'm in Year 10 in Australia, and your guide has cleared up a few of my questions. It was interesting to read about the life of a physics major, and then reading about research in physics and postdoc positions.

I have a question for you though: What made you choose experimental over theoretical physics?

I am very, very passionate about physics (and particularly theoretical physics). I have looked at a few topics in mathematical physics like string theory and quantum field theory, and these seem to hit the nail on the head for what I would love to do. My curiosity really, *truly* is there for these subjects (I have always wondered about the universe, it's makeup and various questions regarding time, space, energy, matter, existence etc), but I always wonder about the mathematics. Does a theorist employ mostly applied or pure mathematics? Would you advise a double major in maths and physics to do theory?

In my top-course year 10 maths class, I am doing very well (with marks like B+ [for geometry], an A for financial maths etc) but I also do extended maths (pure maths just one step down from pre-tertiary level), and I am not doing as well in this (I got C+'s for the work on cubic functions, although currently, I am doing really well with logarithms and logarithmic functions).

How much mathematics did you do yourself? At this stage, I am planning to do a combined degree (Bachelor of Computing and Bachelor of Science) from the University of Tasmania (in Australia) as I have strong interests in both areas, but my true passion is for theoretical physics. The computer science also would give me a "safety net" as I understand, and keep my options even more open.

At the moment, I find I'm doing a lot better in physics than I am in mathematics (just got 90% on a kinematics test at school, for my advanced science course).

I just hope that my passion for mathematics increases considerably, as I find that I do enjoy the mathematics when I am able to do it, but is not too easy (or boring, like statistics - meh), but I have found occasionally that when it is sometimes out of my reach, I lose interest in it fast and lose motivation. I do NOT want to lose motivation for physics because of the mathematics, because I really, really am passionate about the physics concepts.

My favourite branch of maths is geometry (and I truly like this branch too), and I understand that certain types of geometry are very important tools in theoretical physics (like differential and algebraic geometry). Are these types of "geometries" similar to the geometry I would be thinking of?

I've asked about this also in the Topology and Geometry section of this forum, in a post entitled "Diff. Geometry Question", so please do head there. :cool:

Has anyone had any turning points for them where mathematics has leaped upon them and surprised them? Mathwonk told me that he found once he hit university, he was impressed with how deep mathematics is. I have always been impressed that mathematics allows us to explain so many things in the universe. The power of mathematics is truly immense, but when does one typically feel this "power" or awe?

By the way, I love to think about various concepts and difficult questions. I often try and grapple with ideas in my head before I go to sleep (I find this the most productive time to think) and believe I can often get these ideas at an intuitive level - never the mathematics though! :cry:

I like to ponder about scientific and philosophical ideas and spend a great amount of time doing this, so I really think that I have enough passion for the theory physics. I'm more interested in science than philosophy, however, and I wouldn't study philosophy (except perhaps a unit on logic) at University (college for the American readers, with all due respect).

You can probably sense that I love grappling with abstractedness. String theory particularly grabs me, as I love th abstract concepts, like Calabi-Yau spaces (tiny, curled up dimensions) and love the idea of strings as strands of energy, resonating, with wavefunctions of tension and length (and in loop/strand form). I love the presentation of this theory as "strings resonating through space to create a grand symphony of music", and I would love to be able to work with such beautiful and elegant concepts (perhaps even if they turn out to be incorrect or incomplete models of the universe).

I took particular interest in the LHC, but haven't heard whether the machine has started to collide atoms yet. Does anyone know?

To even have the desire to be a theoretical physicist, should I (at this stage) be able to understand the mathematics I am taught, intuitively? Or is higher mathematics non-intuitive even for the best of physicists? What about for the mathematicians out there?

Perhaps in another post, I can link the courses I plan to do, for suitability, and for comment. If anyone would be happy to look over what I have proposed, I would be very happy to hear!

I suppose in the end of this, I ask about the mentality of a theoretical physicist, and their intuition, particularly pertaining to understanding higher mathematics.

I look forward to hearing some responses, and once again, to Zapper, thanks for writing a great guide! Perhaps you could include some of these ideas I have mentioned?

Cheers,
-Davin
 
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Ulagatin said:
Brilliant guide, Zapper!

I'm in Year 10 in Australia, and your guide has cleared up a few of my questions. It was interesting to read about the life of a physics major, and then reading about research in physics and postdoc positions.

Glad it is of some use to you.

I have a question for you though: What made you choose experimental over theoretical physics?

It's a rather long story, and in fact, I've written about it in an article called "http://physicsandphysicists.blogspot.com/2006/11/my-physics-journey.html" " a while back. Maybe that might answer some of your curiosity.

I think I see many of the same thing in the young students nowadays, even the ones we get on here. I see some "grandiose" ambition to "understand the universe", etc., the very same thing that I foolishly thought I want to do when I started out. I think it is OK to have such high ambition, but it must also be temper down a bit with reality. It is a FACT that the largest percentage of practicing physicists are working in condensed matter/material science. This is the largest division in the American Physical Society, the Institute of Physics, and the European Physical Society. Yet, I would estimate that 3/4 of the incoming students just starting out in college have high ambition to do particle/string/solve-the-universe/etc. It is obvious that somewhere along the line, reality sets in and one realize that (i) there is no such thing as "understanding the universe", at least, not THAT simple, (ii) not everyone is capable of doing what they want to do (iii) money, money, money (iv) there are actually plenty of areas of physics that one never knew and that they are equally mesmerizing, important, and fascinating.

I was hoping that, in writing the "So You Want To Be A Physicist" essay, and also relating my own personal journey, that students open their eyes to a wider view and to keep their options open to the possibility that there are plenty of area that they haven't even encounter, and that these could be as rewarding as the few superficial pictures that they got of some of the "glamor" fields of physics that they have been seduced to.

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
I see some "grandiose" ambition to "understand the universe", etc., the very same thing that I foolishly thought I wanted to do when I started out. I think it is OK to have such high ambition, but it must also be tempered down a bit with reality.

Hmm, just the other day, I saw some statistics on employment in academia regarding areas such as cosmology/strings/high-energy particle physics and this alone scared me. I was aware that there are not many jobs in these areas, but for it to be so low numbers indicates huge competition, or few people going into these fields. I'm guessing it's fierce competition though. And if this is the case, I would strongly doubt I would even have the slightest chance, as I am no Einstein, Newton, or Witten.

Can people with these skills (with little, if no application) ever make a smooth transition to industry, in perhaps an experimental field (or a more theoretical, yet applied field)?

I hope to do a Bachelor's degree in Computer Science (mainly focussed on software engineering and computer science theory) on the side, so what about the merge of computer science with theoretical/experimental physics? How useful would this skill set be (with double majors in [applied or pure] mathematics and physics)?

As far as money is concerned, I know it is often shunned in these forums, with people giving advice such as "pursue what you love, rather than what will give you the most money", but isn't it the case that physics professors get anywhere from about $80,000 to $200,000 (whether it be USD or AUD, there is almost parity between the currencies)? Is it only people that are world-renowned that would receive the "higher eschelons of financial reward"?

Because this amount is not in itself, an amount that can easily be shaken off. $100k is more than several managers make, for example (although they would get their pay for likely a larger portion of their life). How close is my image to reality?

I don't want to be invasive on privacy or anything, but in your own field, what is the typical range for salary, per annum? I am purely interested in knowing, because even though money is only a small amount in the equation, it does have importance, as it does allow for more freedom in life.

Hopefully I find a field that grabs me as much as this perhaps naive idea of mine. If it doesn't turn out to be practical, then so be it, but perhaps it would be a big shame (again, depends on what I find I enjoy most while at college/university).

I read your blog post by the way. Again, quite informative. I see that you chose experiment over theory purely because of your own ability to have application and usefulness? I'm interested as to why you found that you didn't like high energy physics - what put you off?

A question here: if I was interested in doing something like physics simulation for example (or perhaps game engine development, considering computer science background), would it be at all likely that one could find themselves in this position, and perhaps, with sponsorship (likely part-time??) do a PhD in theoretical physics? Is this at all tied to reality?

Would a PhD enhance earning potential? I suppose they have more developed skills, so I would be willing to guess that they would, but I'm not dead certain.

What's the field like for people who leave physics after doing a PhD (say for example, people who go into finance and become quants)? Are the skills developed from studying theoretical physics (over experimental physics) more useful there?

The absolute ideal situation I think for me, would be doing some software development on the side (perhaps as a business - consulting work?) to earn some more money, and having that PhD in theoretical physics, perhaps doing research if I found that I was good enough to do so.

I read a few days ago about a theoretical physicist (a professor) at some university had delved into internet security, made presentations for the CIA (c'mon, how many people do this? I don't think it'd be as cool as it sounds though!), and eventually sold his business to Symantec for something like $28m US! This is just one scenario I know of though, and this certainly is far from the reality for most people.

My initial direction would be to do an honours year in theoretical physics (this is an extra year, after the 3 year Bachelor's degree, where you can then work in a more specialised area, as obviously, undergraduate physics encompasses both theoretical and experimental aspects). Doing well enough here can lead to doing a PhD in the field, but this, as far as I'm aware would come a while afterwards. Perhaps then I have a real taste of both the computer science industry and the exciting field of physics (whether it be experimental or theoretical).

Hopefully during the technicalities and overcoming hurdles throughout the journey, I do not lose my great passion for physics, and find something that I really enjoy, and is perhaps, more practical, as I honestly don't believe I am capable enough to do cutting-edge research in theory. Maybe I am wrong though!

Next month, I will be going to my university for a "work experience programme" where I'll have a chance to meet the theoretical physics professor I have been corresponding with for a while, and ask him about the theory side, and what it's actually like in academia! I can come here to ask Zapper and any others in industry for a balanced viewpoint then, so I have a better idea about it all!

Cheers,
-Davin
 
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I feel I should back up Zapperz's point above with my own experience, which is much less expansive than his, but may still be of use to you.

When I started out as a freshman in university, I was really interested in general relativity, cosmology, and all that jazz. It was not until ~2.5 years into my degree that I realized that:

1) I really liked working with my hands and designing experiments, almost as much as I liked math. I would never want to do just math.

2)I found quantum mechanics MUCH more interesting than GR or any of the stuff I was initially interested in.

After I realized this, I applied for an REU and got placed in an Exp. Condensed Matter lab and that was that. I would be able to learn much more about quantum mechanics in that field. Also, I would be able to measure quantum mechanical effects, work with my hands and electronics, and do work that had more direct applications in real world technology. After this, I was set on condensed matter experiment. Currently, I'm applying to grad schools for PhD programs in this field.

My point is, you have yet to be exposed to a lot of very interesting fields in physics. You may indeed end up being most interested in strings or QFT, but you may not. Don't close any doors before you see what's behind them.
 
  • #29
This is a really great guide - I too am considering a career in physics and am currently year 12 in New Zealand. I've got a good grasp of mathematics (coming top in 13Calc and went to last years maths olympiad training camp) and I love physics - even when my class goes horrifically slowly, like that lesson we spent learning how to crossmultiply fractions.

Although, like your essay said I think (sorry, skim reading), there aren't that many jobs for someone with a physics degree. I really don't want to be an engineer, or go into med paticularly, so what would I be able to do? Working at the LHC would be a total dream come true but I realize this isn't paticularly realistic...

Last I heard, the LHC had been shut down temporarily though because it was overheating in some parts.

Another sticking point for me is the male dominance in physics - I'm not sure but I think it would make me disadvantaged when it comes to jobs... maybe?

I don't plan to solve the universe, just play with the bits of matter it shoots out at us.

Oh and other jobs my dad has mentioned to me include numerical analysers (sorry if this has been mentioned - again, skim reading) - he's a Town planner and apparently these people model stuff like traffic flow and water drainage systems, which sounds quite fun as well.

I've looked at other career paths but most of them are not nearly as perfect for me - my latest interest was Neuroscience but I continue to get better marks in Physics than in Bio and Chem, even when I'm trying in the latter two and not in the former.

And of course the permanent back-up is music, so it doesn't really matter if I don't get a job after my degree - I'll be able to teach piano and make $40 an hour!

S
 
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Hi Goon,

This is great! Good luck to you.

I wasn't informed of this overheat in the LHC.

Heh, "solve the universe" - even in say, string theory and cosmology, I don't think they physically or even conceptually solve it! Just get a better idea of it, and try to understand black holes/big bang(s)/dark matter and energy etc.

To do numerical analysis, as far as I know, you use partial differential equations (a branch of calculus). I can't claim that it's a fun subject or not, as I am yet to study calculus myself (perhaps in a few weeks I'll start!).

As for G01, I think I'm more interested in quantum mech. than general relativity, but then again string theory is a theory of quantum gravity. I suppose it harbours interest for people in either of these fields. Also, I wouldn't want to do just maths. If I wanted to do that, I'd become a mathematician! Much more interested in physics though (at least, at this stage!).

Cheers,
-Davin
 
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Is it possible to become a theoretical physicist without ever going to Haravard, MIT, Princeton, etc.?
 
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Quincy said:
Is it possible to become a theoretical physicist without ever going to Haravard, MIT, Princeton, etc.?

Yes.
 
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Quincy said:
Is it possible to become a theoretical physicist without ever going to Haravard, MIT, Princeton, etc.?

They're only well known and respected schools. It doesn't mean you aren't any less smarter if you didn't attend MIT.
 
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Great text, I've learned a lot by it. Thank you very much Zz.
 
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Thanks! Now I have a clue what univsersity will be like!
 
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The Career section of last week's Science online edition had a very extensive resources for undergraduate summer internships available throughout the "world". So if you are thinking about participating in such a program, this might be something you want to look at, even if it is more than a year away. Many of these programs require quite an early application. So start thinking now.

http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.or...s_issues/articles/2008_12_12/caredit.a0800181

Zz.
 
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Hi the last one finishes:

In the next installment, we'll go over the daily grind of doing graduate research work.

But I can't seem to find where the next instalment is! Could someone please direct me to it as I find these articles very illuminating.
 
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jbunten said:
Hi the last one finishes:

In the next installment, we'll go over the daily grind of doing graduate research work.

But I can't seem to find where the next instalment is! Could someone please direct me to it as I find these articles very illuminating.

Did you read the one contiguous article that I linked to at the beginning of the thread in Message #4?

Zz.
 
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ah, there we are! many thanks
 
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I am currently a high school senior looking into a dual physics-econ (maybe law?) major.

When I read the physics researches on arxiv and other collections, it never fails to amazed me the complexity of the problem and its solution. In additional, physics (or the non-traditional physics) had became really abstract and obscure (notably with the quantum loop gravity, superstring theory, etc) over the years. It appears to me that one needs to be exceptionally bright* in order to become a physicist (in the sense of doing research and securing fund). Is that so?

*bright in the sense that one needs to be flexible of the mind.

Thank you for the time! (and for a great guide)
 
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Hunterbender said:
I am currently a high school senior looking into a dual physics-econ (maybe law?) major.

When I read the physics researches on arxiv and other collections, it never fails to amazed me the complexity of the problem and its solution. In additional, physics (or the non-traditional physics) had became really abstract and obscure (notably with the quantum loop gravity, superstring theory, etc) over the years. It appears to me that one needs to be exceptionally bright* in order to become a physicist (in the sense of doing research and securing fund). Is that so?

*bright in the sense that one needs to be flexible of the mind.

Thank you for the time! (and for a great guide)

Please do not think of physics as being predominantly "superstring or loop quantum gravity". In fact, this area of study covers only a very small portion of the whole physics discipline. I would say they are barely 10% of the number of practicing physicists, even though they often get disproportionate amount of publicity.

There is also a tremendous difference between doing theoretical work and experimental work. This isn't to say that experimental work requires less mathematics or less theoretical understanding, but there are many who do not care that much about doing theoretical work that do very good work in experimental physics. In my line of work, I often find myself doing more engineering work than doing physics, and even less, doing purely theoretical work. There are many find physicists who are brilliant at designing some of the most sophisticated experiment to test some of the most difficult aspects of physics. This is also a BIG part of physics that many people outside of the subject do not realize.

So physics isn't just what you often encounter in the public media or the one that gets the most publicity. You'll get to see more of it as you learn more about it, and if you have the opportunity, visit a few places that do physics research work.

Zz.
 
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Are there differences between experimentalists in eg. high energy physics and condensed matter or atomic physics? I recently read Martin Perl's comment about needing "sharp elbows". http://prl.aps.org/edannounce/PhysRevLett.100.070001. William Phillips essay left me with a completely different impression "that one can do physics at the frontiers, competing with the best in the world, and do it with openness, humanity and cooperation". http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1997/phillips-autobio.html. Or is it just the variability of human nature?
 
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ZapperZ said:
Please do not think of physics as being predominantly "superstring or loop quantum gravity". In fact, this area of study covers only a very small portion of the whole physics discipline. I would say they are barely 10% of the number of practicing physicists, even though they often get disproportionate amount of publicity.

There is also a tremendous difference between doing theoretical work and experimental work. This isn't to say that experimental work requires less mathematics or less theoretical understanding, but there are many who do not care that much about doing theoretical work that do very good work in experimental physics. In my line of work, I often find myself doing more engineering work than doing physics, and even less, doing purely theoretical work. There are many find physicists who are brilliant at designing some of the most sophisticated experiment to test some of the most difficult aspects of physics. This is also a BIG part of physics that many people outside of the subject do not realize.

So physics isn't just what you often encounter in the public media or the one that gets the most publicity. You'll get to see more of it as you learn more about it, and if you have the opportunity, visit a few places that do physics research work.

Zz.

Thank you for responding my question in such a timely manner.

I guess there are a lot more to physics that I have yet to learn. Hopefully as I continue onward with the study of physics, all these would come to me (and I shall become enlightened and ascend to..ok..moving on)

With regard to visiting places that do research work, do I just set up an appointment? I have never heard of visiting research areas (or considered it). So, do I simply find a research facility nearby and call them up for a visit?

Once again, thank you.
 
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I'd just like to add that although sometimes physics can seem extremely difficult, this is often because you need to understand the more basic foundations, and then it becomes a lot more clear. This is not to say it *isn't* difficult of course, but remember that when you were four years old maths which you now find trivial seemed very complex!
 
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withthemotive said:
They're only well known and respected schools. It doesn't mean you aren't any less smarter if you didn't attend MIT.

I think you need to add another negative because you ended up implying the exact opposite of what you meant.
 
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We always get a bunch of very similar questions about physics academics and careers in this forum all the time. "Where should I go to school?", "How much can I make after I graduate?", "What kind of a job can I get with my physics degree?".

It would be helpful if there's a legitimate and well-researched place where one can go and look for answers to all these common questions. And there is! The American Institute of Physics (AIP) has a page that is meant as a "http://www.aip.org/statistics/trends/career.html"". The answers to many often-asked questions are based on what I believe is the most comprehensive survey of physics students and graduates in the US. It addresses all the questions above and more, and based the answers on the statistics that it has collected.

The best part of this also is that they will continue to collect and publish such statistics every few years, so the information will be updated.

Zz.
 
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What sorts of things would you recommend a person to do when he or she is in high school?
 
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Electron17 said:
What sorts of things would you recommend a person to do when he or she is in high school?

Stay in school and don't do drugs!

:)

Well, I did describe, albeit rather briefly, some high school preparations in Chap. 1 of the essay. Is there anything in particular beyond that that you wish to know?

Zz.
 
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Hi Zz, a wonderful overview of the life of a physicist you've done there! I haven't managed to read it all yet (there's a lot there), but I was wondering if by chance you knew how many Australian astrophysicists get to stay in Australia for their jobs?

As you may have guessed, I live in Australia. Perth actually, supposedly the most isolated city on the planet. Lucky me! I know the SKA has a 50% chance of being based only about 3 or 4 hours out from where I live, but the chances of me getting straight into that after I graduate are rather small.

I'm in my fourth year, though I'm taking a half load (so still doing second year units), otherwise I would have graduated last year. Part of the reason for that is so I can get really good marks, as I realize it's an incredibly competitive field.

Back to why I started this reply; growing up the only major places I knew of to study astrophysics/astronomy are in Germany and America. I know that's changed a little now, but astronomy isn't something Australia is known for. I really, really don't want to leave my country.

Also, if there's any Aussies here that aren't sure about how to continue onto physics at uni, I'll be happy to help. Though the Eastern states tend to have a different educational system to what I had. Actually WA's educational system has changed in the last couple of years while I've been at uni too.
 
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I've mentioned that my "https://docs.google.com/Doc?id=df5w5j9q_5gj6wmt&hl=en"" essay is skewered towards the US higher educational system since that is the one that I'm intimately familiar with. Thanks to a number of member from the UK who have posted in this forum, we also have some idea on the UK educational system and what one has to go through to get a physics degree there.

Now along comes this article from The Independent in the form of a Q&A with Peter Main, the director of education and science at UK's Institute of Physics (IoP). It describes in detail http://www.independent.co.uk/student/into-university/az-degrees/physics-1659791.html", including a short description of career options. I only wish there was some description of the graduate program towards obtaining a Ph.D.

Still, a very good article for incoming physics students in the UK.

Zz.
 
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