Understanding the Dot Product in Fermi Normal Coordinates

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The discussion revolves around the dot product in the context of Fermi normal coordinates as presented in MTW. Participants explore the definition and implications of the contraction of the antisymmetric connection \(\Omega^{\mu\nu}\) with a tetrad \(e_{\hat{\alpha}}\), as well as the interpretation of related equations involving covariant derivatives. The scope includes theoretical derivations and clarifications regarding mathematical expressions and conventions.

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  • One participant questions the index over which the contraction of \(\Omega\) with \(e\) is performed, noting that the result changes sign depending on the index chosen.
  • Another participant proposes a definition of the dot product involving \(\Omega\) and \(v\), leading to a specific expression for \(\Omega \cdot e_{\hat{\alpha}}\).
  • A participant discusses the covariant derivative of the metric and its implications for the connection, suggesting that the antisymmetry of \(\Omega\) relates to the connection's properties.
  • There is a suggestion that the interpretation of the equation involving \(u^\beta\) and the covariant derivative may require a sign adjustment, with a participant proposing a plus sign instead of a minus in one of the expressions.
  • Another participant provides additional context on the definition of the derivative operator \(\nabla_u\) in a coordinate basis, noting the potential for sign discrepancies in the expressions discussed.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their calculations, indicating a possibility of mistakes in their reasoning.

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Participants express differing views on the correct interpretation of the equations and the definitions involved, particularly regarding the signs and indices in the expressions. No consensus is reached on these points, and multiple competing interpretations remain.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the definitions of contraction and the specific indices used in the equations. Participants note the dependence on conventions and the potential for errors in calculations.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying general relativity, particularly in the context of Fermi normal coordinates and the mathematical formalism of covariant derivatives and connections.

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I'm following the derivation of Fermi coordinates in MTW, section 13.6. Equation 13.60 states
[tex]\mathbf{\nabla_ue}_{\hat{\alpha}} = -\mathbf{\Omega\cdot e}_{\hat{\alpha}}[/tex]
where [itex]\Omega^{\mu\nu}[/itex] is antisymmetric (and [itex]\hat{\alpha}[/itex] is the tetrad label). My question is, over which index is the contraction of Omega with e performed? We have
[tex]\Omega^{\mu\nu}e_\mu = - \Omega^{\nu\mu}e_\mu[/tex]
so the result changes sign depending on the index chosen, but I can't find the authors' definition of the dot product between anything besides two vectors. Also, just want to check that my interpretation of the rest of the equation is correct... It's equivalent to
[tex]u^\beta\left(\partial_\beta e^\mu_{\hat{\alpha}} - \Gamma^\mu_{\beta\gamma}e^\gamma_\hat{\alpha}\right) = -g_{\beta\gamma}\Omega^{\mu\beta}e^\gamma_\hat{\alpha}[/tex]
maybe with the mu and beta swapped on the Omega, right?
 
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I don't have MTW handy, so I'm just going to do some calculations and see what happens, and I'll attempt answers to your 2 questions in 2 separate posts.

First question. You're right about the ambiguity in the definition of contraction, so I'll start by defining

[tex] \begin{equation*}<br /> \begin{split}<br /> \mathbf{\Omega\cdot v} &= \Omega^{\gamma\beta} v_{\gamma} \mathbf{e}_{\beta}\\<br /> &= \Omega_{\gamma}{}^{\beta} v^{\gamma} \mathbf{e}_{\beta},<br /> \end{split}<br /> \end{equation*}[/tex]

giving

[tex] \begin{equation*}<br /> \begin{split}<br /> \mathbf{\Omega\cdot e}_{\hat{\alpha}} &= \Omega_{\hat{\gamma}}{}^{\hat{\beta}} \delta^{\hat{\gamma}}_{\hat{\alpha}} \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\beta}}\\<br /> &= \Omega_{\hat{\alpha}}{}^{\hat{\beta}} \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\beta}}.<br /> \end{split}<br /> \end{equation*}[/tex]

MTW's antisymmetric [itex]\mathbf{\Omega}[/itex] is just the connection, which has a pair of components that are antisymmetric with respect to a tetrad. To see this, take the covariant derivative of (the constants) [itex]\eta_{\hat{\mu}\hat{\nu}} = \mathbf{g}\left( \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\mu}}, \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\nu}} \right)[/itex], remembering that the connection is metric compatible, i.e., that [itex]\mathbf{\nabla g} = 0[/itex]. This gives

[tex] \begin{equation*}<br /> \begin{split}<br /> 0 &= \mathbf{g}\left( \mathbf{\nabla}_{\hat{\alpha}}\mathbf{e}_{\hat{\mu}}, \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\nu}} \right) + \mathbf{g}\left( \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\mu}}, \mathbf{\nabla}_{\hat{\alpha}}\mathbf{e}_{\hat{\nu}} \right)\\<br /> &= \mathbf{g}\left( \Gamma^{\hat{\beta}}{}_{\hat{\mu}\hat{\alpha}} \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\beta}}, \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\nu}} \right) + \mathbf{g}\left( \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\mu}}, \Gamma^{\hat{\beta}}{}_{\hat{\nu}\hat{\alpha}} \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\beta}} \right)\\<br /> &= \Gamma^{\hat{\beta}}{}_{\hat{\mu}\hat{\alpha}} \eta_{\hat{\beta}\hat{\nu}} + \Gamma^{\hat{\beta}}{}_{\hat{\nu}\hat{\alpha}} \eta_{\hat{\mu}\hat{\beta}}\\<br /> &= \Gamma_{\hat{\nu}\hat{\mu}\hat{\alpha}} +\Gamma_{\hat{\mu}\hat{\nu}\hat{\alpha}}<br /> \end{split}<br /> \end{equation*}[/tex]

I hope that I have used MTW's convention for the connection.

Now, with [itex]\mathbf{u} = \mathbf{e}_{\hat{0}}[/itex],

[tex] \begin{equation*}<br /> \begin{split}<br /> \mathbf{\nabla}_{\hat{0}} \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\alpha}} &= \Gamma^{\hat{\beta}}{}_{\hat{\alpha}\hat{0}} \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\beta}}\\<br /> &= -\Gamma_{\hat{\alpha}}{}^{\hat{\beta}}{}_{\hat{0}} \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\beta}}\\<br /> &= - \Omega_{\hat{\alpha}}{}^{\hat{\beta}} \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\beta}}\\<br /> &= -\mathbf{\Omega\cdot e}_{\hat{\alpha}},<br /> \end{split}<br /> \end{equation*}[/tex]

where [itex]\Omega_{\hat{\alpha}\hat{\beta}} := \Gamma_{\hat{\alpha}\hat{\beta}\hat{0}}[/itex].
 
Second question. Let [itex]\left\{ \mathbf{e}_{\mu} \right\}[/itex] be a coordinate basis and let [itex]\left\{ \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\alpha}} \right\}[/itex] be an orthonormal tetrad along the observer's worldline. Since both are bases, along the wordline there is a transformation that relates them:

[tex] \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\alpha}} = e^{\mu}_{\hat{\alpha}} \mathbf{e}_{\mu}.[/tex]

Then,

[tex] \begin{equation*}<br /> \begin{split}<br /> \mathbf{\nabla_{u} e}_{\hat{\alpha}} &= u^{\beta} \mathbf{\nabla}_{\beta} \left( e^{\gamma}_{\hat{\alpha}} \mathbf{e}_{\gamma} \right)\\<br /> &= u^{\beta} \left[ \left( \partial_{\beta} e^{\gamma}_{\hat{\alpha}} \right) \mathbf{e}_{\gamma} + e^{\gamma}_{\hat{\alpha}} \mathbf{\nabla}_{\beta} \mathbf{e}_{\gamma} \right]\\<br /> &= u^{\beta} \left[ \left( \partial_{\beta} e^{\mu}_{\hat{\alpha}} \right) \mathbf{e}_{\mu} + e^{\gamma}_{\hat{\alpha}} \Gamma^{\mu}{}_{\gamma\beta} \mathbf{e}_{\mu} \right]\\<br /> &= u^{\beta} \left[ \left( \partial_{\beta} e^{\mu}_{\hat{\alpha}} \right) + e^{\gamma}_{\hat{\alpha}} \Gamma^{\mu}{}_{\gamma\beta} \right] \mathbf{e}_{\mu}.<br /> \end{split}<br /> \end{equation*}[/tex]

From my previous post,

[tex] \begin{equation*}<br /> \begin{split}<br /> \mathbf{\nabla_{u} e}_{\hat{\alpha}} &= -\Omega_{\hat{\alpha}}{}^{\hat{\nu}} \mathbf{e}_{\hat{\nu}}\\<br /> &= -\Omega_{\hat{\alpha}}{}^{\hat{\nu}} e^{\mu}_{\hat{\nu}} \mathbf{e}_{\mu}\\<br /> &= -\eta_{\hat{\alpha}\hat{\delta}} \Omega^{\hat{\delta}\hat{\nu}} e^{\mu}_{\hat{\nu}} \mathbf{e}_{\mu}\\<br /> &= -e^{\gamma}_{\hat{\alpha}} e^{\beta}_{\hat{\delta}} g_{\gamma \beta} \Omega^{\hat{\delta}\hat{\nu}} e^{\mu}_{\hat{\nu}} \mathbf{e}_{\mu}\\<br /> &= -e^{\gamma}_{\hat{\alpha}} g_{\gamma\beta} \Omega^{\beta\mu} \mathbf{e}_{\mu}<br /> \end{split}<br /> \end{equation*}[/tex]

I'm often quite careless when I do calculations, so there could well be mistakes in these posts.

Regards,
George
 
mikeu said:
Also, just want to check that my interpretation of the rest of the equation is correct... It's equivalent to
[tex]u^\beta\left(\partial_\beta e^\mu_{\hat{\alpha}} - \Gamma^\mu_{\beta\gamma}e^\gamma_\hat{\alpha}\right) = -g_{\beta\gamma}\Omega^{\mu\beta}e^\gamma_\hat{\alpha}[/tex]
maybe with the mu and beta swapped on the Omega, right?

I think that there should be a plus sign inside of the parenthisis on the left hand side, similar to George's remarks.

I find that Wald is a lot clearer on the definition of the derivative operator [itex]\nabla_u[/itex]. In any coordinate basis we have

[tex] \nabla_u t^a = \partial_u t^a + \Gamma^a{}_{ub} t^b[/tex]

Note that this does require that we be in a coordinate basis.

This is the same as your LHS with the minus sign replaced by a plus sign, except that you have additionally expanded [itex]\partial_u[/itex] by the chain rule.

I don't see any problems with your right hand side, except for the possible sign issue that you've already noted (which index you contract with).

It's not needed for this problem, but it's probably good to know that

[tex] \nabla_u t_a = \partial_u t_a - \Gamma^b{}_{ua} t^b[/tex]

You might also find it handy to note that you can make the spacing in the Christoffel symbols look right by the following latex

\Gamma^a{}_{bc}

the empty pair of braces after the 'a' makes the vertical position of {bc} line up correctly.
 
Hey prevect, thanks for that LaTeX tip!
 

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