Induction Question: Proving n <= k^2 <= 2n

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The problem involves proving, through mathematical induction, that for every natural number n, there exists a natural number k such that n ≤ k² ≤ 2n. This falls within the subject area of mathematical induction and number theory.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss finding a suitable natural number k that satisfies the inequality for given n. Some suggest starting with an assumption for a specific n and exploring the implications for n+1. Others propose considering the smallest possible value for k and how it relates to the bounds defined by n and 2n.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have offered guidance on how to structure the inductive proof and consider edge cases, while others are questioning the assumptions about k and its relationship to n.

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Participants note the need to consider different cases where the constraints might not hold, and there is an emphasis on ensuring that k remains a natural number throughout the discussion.

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Ok here's a question...n I'm totally lost..maybe a lil push in the right direction or just a start wud really help :)


Prove(by induction) that for every n element of N(natural numbers).. there exists a natural number k, such that n <= k^2 <= 2n
 
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You could try to actually find a number k that would work.
 
You want to prove that for any number n, there is a k with k2 between n and 2n. To do this inductively, you assume that there is a k', such that n-1<= k'2 <= 2(n-1), and then use this to find a k for n. If you had to guess, what might this k be in terms of k'? If you come up with a few possibilities, you might want to prove that if it isn't one, it must be another.
 
Start off like any induction problem: assume for some particular n that a natural number k exists such that n <= k^2 <= 2n. Look at the case for natural (n+1) now. Consider the 3 cases where the constraints could break (say for n+1 that k^2 < n+1 or k^2 > 2(n+1) or both and disprove the possibility of each by showing that the constraints can be satisfied again by changing k to a new natural number. The case n=1 should be obvious, additionally.

Remember also that (k+1)^2 - k^2 = 2k + 1
 
What I meant was, if you are looking for a k^2 between n and 2n, what is the smallest whole number that k can be? Then you can use induction to show that that number squared is less than 2n.
 

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