Why does the strong nuclear force become repulsive at small distances?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the nature of the strong nuclear force and its behavior at small distances, particularly why it becomes repulsive. Participants explore theoretical explanations, potential mathematical derivations, and the implications of quantum mechanics in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the strong nuclear force must be repulsive at small distances to prevent the nucleus from collapsing, but seeks a deeper understanding of the mechanisms behind this behavior.
  • Another participant suggests that the repulsive nature of the strong force can be related to quantum mechanics and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, indicating that the energy required for nucleon collapse is enormous, making such an event highly improbable.
  • A participant references textbook graphs to support their understanding of the strong force's behavior, questioning the relationship between this repulsion and zero point motion.
  • It is mentioned that the nucleon-nucleon potential is believed to have a hard repulsive core, which may be explained through vector meson exchanges or the Pauli exclusion principle for quarks, emphasizing that quarks cannot occupy the same space simultaneously.
  • There is a distinction made between the concepts of nuclear stability and the repulsive core, suggesting that both phenomena arise from the lowest quantum state having a finite size.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanisms behind the repulsive nature of the strong force at small distances, with no consensus reached on a definitive explanation or model.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include the lack of specific mathematical derivations or laws that directly explain the repulsive behavior, as well as the dependence on interpretations of quantum mechanics and the Pauli exclusion principle.

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This isn't a traditional homework question but here goes. I asked my physics tutor (A-Level) how the strong nuclear force becomes repulsive at small distances and he said he didn't know. I know that it is a nessecity that it is repulsive to prevent the nucleus collapsing, but I would like to know howit happens, are there any law's or mathematical derivations to prove this?

Any help / explanations would be great!
 
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Hootenanny said:
This isn't a traditional homework question but here goes. I asked my physics tutor (A-Level) how the strong nuclear force becomes repulsive at small distances and he said he didn't know. I know that it is a nessecity that it is repulsive to prevent the nucleus collapsing, but I would like to know howit happens, are there any law's or mathematical derivations to prove this?

Any help / explanations would be great!
I'll take a stab at it. But you really should be talking to ZapperZ.

I would also suggest this be moved to the High energy, Nuclear, Particle physics section.

What makes you think that the strong force becomes repulsive at small distances? The reason the nucleus does not collapse is similar to the reason an atom does not collapse (negative electrons do not fall into the positive nucleus). It has to do with quantum mechanics. It does not require the concept of a force to keep the quarks apart or the electrons and protons apart.

If the electron fell into the nucleus, we would know its position to within a very small \Delta x. So, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle says that its momentum range would be enormous. But this would require a huge amount of energy. Hence the probability that the electron will fall to the nucleus on its own is practically 0. Similarly, the energy required to collapse the three quarks in a nucleon is really enormous so the probability of nucleon collapse on its own is virtually 0.

But as I say, talk to ZapperZ.

AM
 
Thank's the reason I think that it becomes negative is because of the graphs shown in my textbook, something similar to this;
http://webs.mn.catholic.edu.au/physics/emery/assets/9_5_op21.gif
I understand what you mean about the uncertainty principle though, has it got something to do with zero point motion?
 
It is generally believed that the N-N potential has a hard repulsive core.
There have been attempts to get this with vector meson exchanges, but it is more easily seen as the Pauli principle for the quarks.
You can't put six quarks that close together.
The hard core has little to do with nuclear stability.
That is no different than hydrogen atom stability.
They both come from the lowest quantum state having a finite size.
 

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