Treating Cables with Pulleys & Blocks - Leonel

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The discussion revolves around the treatment of cables in a system involving pulleys and blocks, focusing on the dynamics of cable lengths and their rates of change. Participants explore the relationships between the velocities of different cables and blocks, as well as potential discrepancies in textbook solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Leonel seeks assistance in understanding how to treat the cables in a pulley and block arrangement.
  • One participant questions whether cable E is fixed to the ground at one end by a parallelogram block.
  • Another participant presents a detailed analysis assuming the cable is of fixed length, concluding that the rates of change of cables C and D are equal and negative, while cable E's rate of change is positive.
  • A subsequent reply confirms the correctness of the previous analysis.
  • HalsofIvy expresses agreement with the analysis but raises concerns about discrepancies between their calculations and the textbook's stated velocities for cable D and C, suggesting possible errors in the textbook.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the analysis of the cable lengths and their rates of change, but there is disagreement regarding the velocities presented in the textbook, with some participants questioning their accuracy.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made about the fixed lengths of the cables and the potential errors in the textbook referenced by participants.

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Can any of you help me in how to treat the cables in the arrangement pulleys and blocks attached ?.

thanks, Leonel
 

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Is cable E fixed to the ground on one end, by that little parallelogram block?
 
Assuming that the cable is of fixed length and fastened at its end, then the length of the cable, E, is the distance from that fixed point to block B and so its length is increasing at 18 in/sec just like the blocks motion. Also, it is clear that, since the two pulleys can be taken to be right up against blocks A and B, C and D are of equal length at all times and so have the same rate of change.
Specifically, C+ D+ E= fixed length so dC/dt+ dD/dt+ dE/dt= 0. dC/dt= dD/dt and
dE/dt= 18: 2dC/dt= -18 or dC/dt= dD/dt= -9 in/sec.

Since the distance between blocks A and B are decreasing in length by 9 in/sec, A's speed relative to B is 9 in/ sec: yes, A's speed relative to the stationary base is 27 in/second.
 
That's correct, Chen !
 
HalsofIvy, thanks a lot for your response ! My thoughts have been the same of yours..

But, the problem is that the book responses are: cable D Velocity is assumed to be + 36 in/s while the Vcd is - 18 in/s. therefore, that makes Vc = + 18 in/s. What results in a complete difference...Maybe some typing problems (2 mistakes ??!) in the book "Vector Mechanics for engineers" Beer and Johnston" fifth ed. Ex.11.42.
 

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