NOVA's Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial

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NOVA's "Judgment Day" explores the landmark Kitzmiller v. Dover trial, focusing on the scientific validity of evolution versus intelligent design (ID). The program highlights the court's conclusion that ID is not science and cannot be separated from its religious roots, emphasizing the importance of teaching scientifically accepted theories in schools. Discussions reveal that proponents of ID attempted to rebrand creationism, but the trial exposed their tactics and lack of scientific credibility. The show aims to enhance public understanding of science and its educational implications. The ongoing debate over how to present these concepts in classrooms continues to evolve.
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/

With recreations based on court transcripts, NOVA presents the arguments by lawyers and expert witnesses in riveting detail and provides an eye-opening crash course on questions such as "What is evolution?" and "Does intelligent design qualify as science?" For years to come, the lessons from Dover will continue to have a profound impact on how science is viewed in our society and how to teach it in the classroom.

This should be interesting. Intelligent Design Creationism finally fulfilled a goals in the Wedge Strategy: To have IDC portrait on a PBS show such as Nova treating design 'theory' fairly. To bad for the proponents of IDC that this means complete annihilation. :rolleyes:

http://newsblaze.com/story/20071010150344tsop.np/newsblaze/NEWSWIRE/NewsBlaze-Wire.html

"Judgment Day captures on film a landmark court case with a powerful scientific message at its core," said Paula S. Apsell, NOVA Senior Executive Producer. "Evolution is one of the most essential and least understood of all scientific theories, the foundation of biological science. We felt it was important for NOVA to do this program to heighten the public understanding of what constitutes science and what does not, and therefore, what is acceptable for inclusion in the science curriculum in our public schools."

I'll so be watching this.
 
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Thanks for the heads up, sounds interesting!
 
I just marked my calendar. Thanks.
 
turbo-1 said:
I just marked my calendar.
Me too. Thanks Moridin.
 
IDC

"Indoctrination Disinformation Conditioning"
 
The intelligient design conjecture is logically irrefutable. The universe would not otherwise exist. NOVA has proven nothing but a willingness to argue the obvious.
 
Chronos said:
The intelligient design conjecture is logically irrefutable

It is also not scientific. It should not be taught in schools alongside evolution for this reason, not for how refutable it is.
 
NeoDevin said:
It is also not scientific. It should not be taught in schools alongside evolution for this reason, not for how refutable it is.

personally, I don't mind...but if they do--I think that this other theory should be taught too:

"In the beginning, the universe was a black egg where heaven and Earth were mixed together, and in this egg was contained Pangu. He felt suffocated, so he cracked the egg with a broadax, and the light, clear part of the egg floated up to form Heaven while the cold, heavy part stayed down and formed Earth. Pangu stood in the middle, and he and the egg's two parts grew and grew until he was nine million li in height."

http://library.thinkquest.org/03oct/00875/text/ChineseC.htm
 
I have no problem teaching against intelligent design creationism, but it should obviously not be taught as a credible alternative to evolution.

Chronos said:
The intelligient design conjecture is logically irrefutable. The universe would not otherwise exist. NOVA has proven nothing but a willingness to argue the obvious.

Unfortunately, the IDC movement is divided into plenty of sub-conjectures, some of which are indeed logically, experimentally (and for some, theologically) refutable.

Take the case of the now refuted irreducible complexity (IC) of certain biological structures:

"Biological entity X is too complex to have evolved, therefore it was designed by an intelligent designer".

Even this is composed of three conjectures. The last part is not falsifiable and thus not science. The false dichotomy between evolution / IDC has been attacked by plenty of people (Scott, Miller, Dawkins, Pennock, Forrest/Gross, Roughgarden, Myers, Shermer etc.) and the first conjecture that no biological precursor exists has been falsified by hypotetico-deductive method.

Although you might be referring to their cosmological arguments? If so, Michael Shermer has written a thorough dissection of it in Why Darwin Matters - The Case Against Intelligent Design.

As for NOVA, the public understanding of science should be one of the most vital goals of the scientific community (or at least science journalists).
 
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Moridin said:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/



This should be interesting. Intelligent Design Creationism finally fulfilled a goals in the Wedge Strategy: To have IDC portrait on a PBS show such as Nova treating design 'theory' fairly. To bad for the proponents of IDC that this means complete annihilation. :rolleyes:

http://newsblaze.com/story/20071010150344tsop.np/newsblaze/NEWSWIRE/NewsBlaze-Wire.html



I'll so be watching this.



Haha! I guess the old saying "be careful what you wish for" holds in this day and age...


Its about time that a major media outlet treats it like the total trash it is. I'm am most certainly going to watch it :smile:
 
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Q: Then why are you smiling?
A: Because tonight's the night.
 
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jimmysnyder said:
Q: Then why are you smiling?
A: Because tonight's the night.

Indeed. NOVA has made a generous website as well. Ken Miller is right on, as usual:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/defense-ev.html

There is also a briefing packet for educators. Furthermore, the world will be able to watch it online on 16 November on their website.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/ (The part on the right where it says "Watch Online".

You can also watch a trailer there, or if you prefer, here is a version of it on Youtube:



Some extras include watching the evolution of salamanders in California and som interesting personal reflections by Judge Jones.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/extras.html
 
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Thanks for the reminder!
 
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Excellent show! Thanks Moridin!
 
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Indeed, excellent show. Stick it right up their flagellum.
 
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The show was quite good. It bought out some rebuttals to parts of the anti-evolution stance. In particular, it showed how the flagellum is not irreducibly complex after all. Also, it showed the discovery of an animal that bridged the gap between fish and amphibian, something that the anti-evolution crowd said was necessary to find.

Apparently, the decision at the trial was rather narrow. They did not find that ID is not science, but rather found that the defendants had tried to introduce religion into the classroom. This is as much as would have expected since I don't think it's against the law to teach subjects other than science in a science classroom, but it is against the law to teach religion anywhere in a public school. The defendants claimed that they were pushing ID as science, not creationism. However there were two pieces of evidence against them. One was a document that was supposed to express their guiding principles. Indeed it mentioned ID, but not creationism. However, it turns out that the document was an exact copy of an earlier document and everywhere the word creationism had been, it was replaced with ID. In at least one instance, the replacement was bungled and both words appeared mixed together. The other was the fact that books of a religious nature had been bought by the defendants to be placed in the school library. Since the objective of the defendants was to have the teachers guide the students to those books, it was evidence of intent to teach religion.

Spoiler warning: The defendents lost.
 
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http://www2.ncseweb.org/kvd/highlights/2005-12-20_Kitzmiller_decision.pdf

Technically, the conclusion of the court was that:

- Board's ID Policy violated the Establishment Clause (Conclusion p. 136 ->)
- That ID was not science / accepted in the scientific community (which was necessary in order to apply the Lemon test) p. 64
- That ID cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and therefore religious antecedents (p. 136 ->)

What the Court did not take a position on was whether ID was true or not.

More details on the highlights posted by jimmysnyder:

The morphing of the Creationism / ID 'textbooks' can be found in the Barbra Forrest's supplemental report (p. 6 ->)

http://www2.ncseweb.org/kvd/experts/Forrest_supplemental_report.pdf

All trial documents (deposits, trial transcripts, slides etc.) can be found on the website for the National Center for Science Education.

http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/?page_id=5

Something funny happened in 1987 that made them replace creationism with ID (Edwards v. Aguillard; Supreme Court decision banning creationism as unconstitutional). I think this was the definitive piece of evidence for their creationist past.

http://www2.ncseweb.org/kvd/exhibits/origins_of_ID/Forrest_chart1.png
http://www2.ncseweb.org/kvd/exhibits/origins_of_ID/Forrest_chart2.png

I can't wait until Nov 16 =)
 
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What was that word? The "missing link" that proved that "creationism" evolved into "intelligent design" ? Something like cintelligentsm, but that's not it.

It's so funny that they found a "transitional word" that proved that creationism had been renamed and repackaged.
 
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Chi Meson said:
What was that word? The "missing link" that proved that "creationism" evolved into "intelligent design" ? Something like cintelligentsm, but that's not it.

The term was 'cdesign proponentists'.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2910607983914622531&q=creationism%27s+trojan+horse&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

It's so funny that they found a "transitional word" that proved that creationism had been renamed and repackaged.

Indeed. The plaintiffs (pro-science) noticed that the entire book (of pandas and people) had gone through a search-and-replace job in the 80's, so they subpoenaed The Foundation for Thought and Ethics for all of the available drafts and then plotted the graphs showing how the words had changed (but not the definitions).

FTE even had drafts that where intended for the next edition of the book, 'The Design of Life', where 'intelligent design' had been replaced with 'sudden emergence'.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/18/national/18judge.html

In the recent trial, a lawyer grilled an intelligent design proponent on why a textbook the witness helped to write substituted "intelligent design" for "creationism" in a later edition and with "sudden emergence theory" in a draft of a future edition.

"We won't be back in a couple of years for the sudden emergence trial, will we?" the lawyer asked.

To which Judge Jones interjected, "Not on my docket."
 
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Heh, most of the IDC bloggers are either oddly silent or frantically trying to produce propaganda such as "PBS Airs False Facts in its "Inherit the Wind" Version of the Kitzmiller Trial" or "Judge Jones Nudges Judge Judy".

I was sort of expecting that.
 
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Both creationism and ID are now failed attempts to remove biological teaching from America. So what's next on the agenda for the cdesign proponentsists?
 
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D H said:
Both creationism and ID are now failed attempts to remove biological teaching from America. So what's next on the agenda for the cdesign proponentsists?

Don't know if the question was rhetorical, but I'll go ahead and speculate either way :smile:

Barbra Forrest (key witness for the pro-science side) has written a paper on the future of ID creationism earlier this year:

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/uploads/attachments/intelligent-design.pdf (p. 19-27)

It is frightening.

Summary of future tactics:

Teach the "Controversy"
Teach the Full Range of "Scientific" Views
Critical Analysis / Critical Thinking
The "strengths and weaknesses/evidence for and against" evolution.
Academic "Freedom".

They will morph and change their language and will publish more textbooks trying to distort the publics view of science and evolution. There is also some other IDC projects going on. The Discovery Institute has an annual budget of around 5 million USD (mostly from donations from conservative Christian groups). National Center for Science Education has around 500k.

I'm guessing the next target will be Big Bang (in addition to further attacks on evolution and abiogenesis). There will be more trials on evolution. Kitzmiller et. al. versus Dover is only valid in the jurisdiction.

According to some ID bloggers "The Design of Life" (next generation of pandas and people) is about to be released by the Foundation for Thought and Ethics on Monday, November 19. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Oh well.
 
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Some Youtube clips for those who haven't seen the show (it will be up on the NOVA Website on the 16th Nov):

(Eugenie C. Scott on the unscientific state of IDC)
(On the religious nature of IDC; Interview with Nick Matzke and Barbra Forrest)

For all fans out there, Ruse and Pennock (both pro-science) is making a revised version of Ruse's book "But Is It Science?: The Philosophical Question in the Creation/Evolution Controversy" including 50 new pages on the dover trial and the future. Is going to be published Nov 30 2007.
 
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Moridin said:
Indeed. NOVA has made a generous website as well. Ken Miller is right on, as usual...
There is also a briefing packet for educators.

I much enjoyed the NOVA episode, but one point which struck me as terribly sad but also terribly important: Judge Jones remarked that during the presentation of evidence by the paleontologists, he wondering why, as a literate and well-educated person, he'd never heard of any of this wonderful classic work. The answer, as Ken Miller (IIRC) pointed out, is that due to strenuous opposition over many decades from Creatonists, very little of it ever made it into even recent high school biology textbooks. Many years ago, the New Yorker ran a wonderful profile on a more or less unelected public official in Texas who in effect determined national policy because she controlled the Texas schoolbook committee and Texas is sufficiently populous than textbook publishers felt it would be uneconomic to produce one set of books for the deep South and another for say California. This woman happened to be a creationist and, single-handed, she set back science education in the U.S. by a century over the course of at least twenty years. I believe she eventually retired but of course by that time a new generation of creationists had arisen, such as the Discovery Institute, who have unfortunately enjoyed considerable success in continuing to suppress some of the best of modern biology from many high school science classrooms.

I wish I could remember the details and the exact citation to the New Yorker story; probably someone out there will remember the story, because this situation was notorious among biology teachers for decades.
 
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Moridin said:
Don't know if the question was rhetorical, but I'll go ahead and speculate either way :smile:

Barbra Forrest (key witness for the pro-science side) has written a paper on the future of ID creationism earlier this year:

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/uploads/attachments/intelligent-design.pdf (p. 19-27)

It is frightening.

The question was not rhetorical. Thanks for the paper, especially this line
Forrest said:
Dembski is unambiguous on this point: “The scientific picture of the
world championed since the Enlightenment is not just wrong but massively wrong."

Moridin said:
Be afraid. Be very afraid.

I agree. Evolution is just the tip of the iceberg of unscientific horrors the religious right wants to visit upon us. They have problems with climate science, geology, cosmology, medicine, physics (in other words, just about every branch of science), and even mathematics.
 
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D H said:
and even mathematics.

All too true I have had the singular misfortune to acquire two mathsci interests, in information theory and general relativity, which at the time (c. 1985) seemed as pure as the driven snow. I had assumed that creationism died with the Scopes trial, and was unpleasantly shocked to discover that both GTR and IT have been caricatured by anti-intellectuals seeking to return our intellectual life to the middle ages and our political system to the Salem theocracy. Indeed, at the present time GTR (via cosmology) and IT are probably the two most politically charged subjects in mathsci, as the result of the activities of the fundamentalist movement.

On a happier note, the thing I liked best about the NOVA episode was that it managed to convey the intense intellectual excitement which derives from modern understanding of Darwin's grand view of life. I recall a conversation (quite a few years ago) with a leading biologist in which I remarked "so under certain ecological circumstances, aphids might develop a soldier caste" and he replied that he'd just read a paper by a Japanese scientist who had found just such a phenomenon! Wow, was that ever a kick! :smile: As others have remarked, the theme of the NOVA episode was quite properly to contrast the predictive power of modern biology viz. the ID pseudoscientific "hypothesis".
 
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For those of you who have not been able to see the two-hour documentary "Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial", either because you lived outside the US or were busy, PBS has posted the entire thing on their website, freely available to the general public:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/program.html

The two-hour program is split up into 12 chapters, each about 10 minutes. Have fun!

On a happier note, the thing I liked best about the NOVA episode was that it managed to convey the intense intellectual excitement which derives from modern understanding of Darwin's grand view of life.

Indeed. Hopefully it did (will do) more than, for a lack of better words, preach to the choir.

I'm going to watch it right now and I'll probably have something to rant about later. Oh well.
 
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Moridin said:
Indeed. Hopefully it did (will do) more than, for a lack of better words, preach to the choir.

It will at least give verbal ammunition to the choir. Interesting image.


The folks who are pre-sold on ID, they are a lost cause. A Nova special is not going to sway many of them.

But even better, it will sway that portion of the population in the fuzzy middle. Rational, intelligent folks who have not had the full facts available to them can now make reasonable decision.
 
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This video is very disturbing. What a bunch of morons the ID people are.
 
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"Evolution is just a theory" and "we just want to present alternative theories to the kids" These folks, like many laymen, just have no clue what "theory" means in science!
 
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Moridin said:
The next attack by Intelligent Design Creationists is Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed

Two comments:

(1) I like the name cdesign propentists over Intelligent Design Creationists. It is so fittingly stupid.

(2) No Intelligence Allowed: Is that a prerequisite for involvement in the cdesign propentist movement?
 
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"cdesign proponentists", "astrology is science"

just hilarious, I can't believe they could be so lazy and ignorant
 
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http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/intelligent-design-rebranding.ars/1

That's not to say that the Discovery Institute and other ID proponents have packed up and called it a day; instead, they seem to simply be changing tactics. Recent developments indicate that the next wave of anti-evolution agitation will take a two-pronged approach. The first will be to try to foster doubt regarding evolution during high school education, while the second aims to explicitly carve a space for ID proponents at the college level by pressuring for their inclusion as a form of academic freedom. We'll take a brief look at both of these developments.
 
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while the second aims to explicitly carve a space for ID proponents at the college level by pressuring for their inclusion as a form of academic freedom

I predict that any college/university that includes ID in their science curriculum will render any future degrees in the biological sciences from that institution worthless.
 
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They should teach about the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster" too. ~RAmen :smile:
 
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yenchin said:
They should teach about the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster" too. ~RAmen :smile:

The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Touched_by_His_Noodly_Appendage.jpg on this one kills me.
Looks like an interesting video. I'll be sure to watch this tonight.
 
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Here are some book tips if any of you want to explore the critical response from practicing scientists and the scientific community against intelligent design creationism further. Some are of historical nature, some philosophical, others focuses on biology and some gives perspective from theistic, pro-science scientists.

Gross, Paul; Forrest Barbra "Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design"
Shermer, Michael "Why Darwin Matters: The Case Against Intelligent Design"
Young, Matt; Edis, Taner "Why Intelligent Design Fails: A Scientific Critique of New Creationism"
Perakh, Mark "Unintelligent Design"
Pennock, Robert "Tower of Babel: The Evidence against the New Creationism"
Shanks, Niall "God, The Devil and Darwin: A Critique of Intelligent Design Theory"
Scott, Eugenie C. "Evolution vs. Creationism"
Miller, Kenneth "Finding Darwin's God"
Ayala, Francisco "Darwin's Gift: to Science and Religion"
Petto, Andrew J.; Godfrey, Laurie R "Scientists Confront Intelligent Design and Creationism"
Ayala, Francisco "Darwin And Intelligent Design"
Roughgarden, Joan "Evolution and Christian Faith: Reflections of an Evolutionary Biologist"
(Collins, Francis "The Langauge of God")

etc.

There are many more. If you are interested in a specific view, angle or frame and don't know quite what, I'd be more than happy to try to respond.
 
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Moridin said:
For those of you who have not been able to see the two-hour documentary "Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial", either because you lived outside the US or were busy, PBS has posted the entire thing on their website, freely available to the general public:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/program.html

The two-hour program is split up into 12 chapters, each about 10 minutes. Have fun!

Thanks. I'm looking forward to viewing this when I have the time.
 
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Here are some Barbra Forrest gems:

http://www.creationismstrojanhorse.com/Tracing_ID_Ancestry.pdf (short chart of the history of creationism by Barbra Forrest).

http://law.wustl.edu/WULQ/83-1/p%201%20Brauer%20Forrest%20Gey%20book%20pages.pdf (149 page exposition into the history of creationism / ID by Forrest plus two co-authors)

Abstract:

"On several occasions during the last eighty years, states have attempted to either prohibit the teaching of evolution in public school science classes or counter the teaching of evolution with mandatory references to the religious doctrine of creationism. [...] This article considers whether these intelligent design creationism proposals can survive constitutional scrutiny. The authors analyze the religious, philosophical, and scientific details of intelligent design theory, and assess these details in light of the constitutional doctrine developed by the Court in its previous creationism decisions [...]"

There is also an article demonstrating that the adaptation of methodological naturalism in science does not a priori accept philosophical naturalism, although quite technical, can be found http://www.creationismstrojanhorse.com/ForrestPhilo.pdf .

"But is it Science?" by Ruse and Pennock was supposed to be published Nov 30, but is currently not available :*(
 
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What of this?



Darwinism: A new PBS docudrama aims to discredit intelligent design | Mark Bergin, World Magazine

A new NOVA docudrama, slated to air Nov. 13 on PBS and available for online viewing thereafter, purports to articulate an established definition of science, one that excludes intelligent design. Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial follows a landmark federal lawsuit in 2005 that pitted ACLU-backed parents against the Dover, Pa., school district. At issue was whether the inclusion of a brief statement on ID in the ninth-grade biology curriculum amounted to establishing religion in the classroom. Judge John E. Jones III ruled that it did.

Because no cameras were allowed in the courtroom during the trial, NOVA created dramatic reenactments of the proceedings with actors quoting lines from the case transcripts. Filmmakers also interviewed attorneys, school board members, scientists, and local teachers and parents. Conspicuously absent: interviews with fellows of the ID-advancing Discovery Institute, several of whom testified at the trial.

Paula Apsell, NOVA's executive producer, claims Michael Behe, Scott Minich, and other institute fellows declined to participate in the project. But Behe, Minich, and Stephen Meyer say they were excited for the chance to share their views when NOVA first approached them early last year. But negotiations over interview procedures broke down when Apsell refused to allow a Discovery Institute representative to record the exchanges for public release should NOVA use any statements out of context.

Apsell instead offered to provide Discovery officials with complete footage of the interviews provided they signed away any right to make it public. Rob Crowther, the institute's communications director, told WORLD that arrangement defeated the purpose of holding NOVA accountable. "We have had some other experiences with the media where we've been edited and kind of sliced and diced," he said. "NOVA didn't want to be held accountable."

The docudrama's accompanying education packet for teachers claims, "There is no scientific controversy about the existence of evolution," a statement that glosses over the critical difference between macro and micro evolution. The packet further contends, "Intelligent design advocates have never attempted to test their own work through basic research or submitted papers to peer-reviewed journals." That charge suggests NOVA has shifted genres from documentary to fiction—with hired actors, to boot.
 
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About the ID creationists "absent from the program".

Philip E. Johnson, the founding father of IDC was interviewed quite a lot for the show. There is even a full interview with him on the NOVA website. None of the members of the Discovery Institute ever took part in the trial (except Behe; denied to be interviewed in the documentary) because they withdrew (Dembski, Myer etc.) after making their deposits.

There isn't really a scientific controversy (same IDC propaganda as usual) and they have not attempted to make any original research (Dembski has admitted this) and there are no peer-review articles in mainstream scientific journals (they have published in the journals they founded themselves and other religious / philosophical journals).
 
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William Dembski made a serious error here, like he did in "Intelligent Design: The Bridge Between Science and Theology", "Unapologetic apologetics" and in a few other places.

Friday Five: William A. Dembski

I believe God created the world for a purpose. The Designer of intelligent design is, ultimately, the Christian God.

The focus of my writings is not to try to understand the Christian doctrine of creation; it’s to try to develop intelligent design as a scientific program.

There’s a big question within the intelligent design community: "How did the design get in there?" We’re very early in this game in terms of understanding the history of how the design got implemented. I think a lot of this is because evolutionary theory has so misled us that we have to rethink things from the ground up. That's where we are. There are lots and lots of questions that are now open to re-examination in light of this new paradigm.

Whoops.
 
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Funny I didn't notice this earlier. It is a personal account by expert witness Barbra Forrest for the pro-evolution side on the Dover trial and its implications.

http://www.csicop.org/intelligentdesignwatch/kitzmiller.html

I had two tasks: to demonstrate to Judge Jones (1) that ID is creationism, thus a religious belief, and (2) that Of Pandas and People is a creationist textbook. As part of the evidence for my first task I included the words of two leading ID proponents, Phillip E. Johnson and William Dembski. Under direct examination by Eric Rothschild, I related Johnson’s definition of ID as “theistic realism” or “mere creation,” by which he means “that we affirm that God is objectively real as Creator, and that the reality of God is tangibly recorded in evidence accessible to science, particularly in biology.” [27] To that I added Dembski’s definition: “Intelligent design is just the Logos theology of John’s Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory.” [28] If the judge had heard nothing except these two quotes, he would have had all the evidence he needed that ID’s own leaders regard it as not only creationism but also as a sectarian Christian belief. But I had much more, such as CSC fellow Mark Hartwig’s 1995 Moody Magazine article in which he referred to a 1992 ID conference at Southern Methodist University as a meeting of “creationists and evolutionists,” calling Dembski and Stephen Meyer “evangelical scholars.” [29] During these early years, when they needed money and supporters, ID proponents openly advertised both their religiosity and their creationism.

While I'm here...

http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayevent.aspx?rID=4925[/URL] [PLAIN]http://www.geocities.com/alex_stef/images/new2.gif

"Intelligent Design and Creationism/Evolution Controversy is a talk given by Eugenie C. Scott, executive director of National Center for Science Education on the increasing threat of Intelligent Design (ID) and Creationism. It was broadcasted as a part of the Explore Evolution series on Michigan Channel.

Scott demonstrates that Intelligent Design is nothing more than recycled creationism and that it completely lacks scientific basis by investigating its earlier forms advocated by Henry Morris, who falsely suggested that science supports the biblical account of creation as well as refuting the arguments made by proponents of ID."

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/digitalmedia/video/barbara_forrest_inside_creationisms_trojan_horse http://www.geocities.com/alex_stef/images/new2.gif

"Inside Creationism’s Trojan Horse is a one hour talk by Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana University, and serves on the board of directors of the National Center for Science Education. She is the author of the book entitled Creationism Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design. The main theme of this video is analyzing the history of Intelligent Design (ID) and how it is clearly nothing else than recycled creationism in a cheap tuxedo.

In this video, she argues that not only is intelligent design not science, but that it is also a threat to science and education because it is attempting to inject false and unsupported claims into education. Forrest was a expert witness on the side of the plaintiffs in the Dover trial against the school board who pushed intelligent design onto the school’s science curriculum."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6485580088897217945&q=A+War+on+Science&total=2111&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0[/URL] [PLAIN]http://www.geocities.com/alex_stef/images/new2.gif

"A War on Science is a documentary by BBC Horizon exposing the ridiculous attempts of some to embed religion into the science classroom. The pseudoscience of “Intelligent Design” is attacking the Darwinian Theory of Evolution, and trying to inject creationism into science, even though it is against the law. It is a battle between nonsense and knowledge, evoking some of the biggest names in science to strike back at the false claims by ID proponents."

As a side note, the very interesting Dr Patricia Princehouse is interviewed somewhere in "A War of Science" and is a co-host with Miller below.

"The Collapse of Intelligent Design - Will the Next Monkey Trial be in Ohio?" by Ken Miller http://www.geocities.com/alex_stef/images/new2.gif

"Ken Miller's talk on Intelligent Design at Case Western University. Ken Miller basically rips Intelligent Design apart in a 2 hour long exposé of the claims of intelligent design and the tactics that creationists employ to get it shoehorned into the American school system."

Some more interesting things...

By cell biologist (and catholic) Ken Miller:

The Flagellum Unspun - The Collapse of "Irreducible Complexity"
Answering the Biochemical Argument from Design

Evolution of the Bacterial Flagellum - http://www.talkdesign.org/faqs/flagellum.html
Stepwise formation of the bacterial flagellar system - http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0700266104v1

Yeah, none of the things with "new" are actually new :P

Some critical reviews of Behe's Edge of Evolution:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/01/b...review&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin&oref=slogin (Richard Dawkins in New York Times)
http://www.creationismstrojanhorse.com/Gross_Behe_Review_10.2007.pdf[/URL] (Paul Gross in The New Criterion)
[url]http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v447/n7148/full/4471055a.html[/url] (Ken Miller in Nature)
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/316/5830/1427 (Carroll in Science)

Bad news:

According the [PLAIN]http://www.fsu.edu/~philo/RuseCV.pdf[/URL], The new edition of "But Is It Science?: The Philosophical Question in the Creation/Evolution Controversy" by Ruse (expert withness for pro-science in McLean v. Arkansas 1981 with Steven Jay Gould, Fransisco Ayala et. al.) and Pennock (expert witness for pro-science in Kitzmiller vs. Dover et. al 2005) will not be released until sometime during 2008. Can't wait.

I know, I have too much time on my hands.
 
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http://sciencereview.berkeley.edu/articles.php?issue=10&article=evolution

I also don’t think that there is really a theory of intelligent design at the present time to propose as a comparable alternative to the Darwinian theory, which is, whatever errors it might contain, a fully worked out scheme. There is no intelligent design theory that’s comparable. Working out a positive theory is the job of the scientific people that we have affiliated with the movement. Some of them are quite convinced that it’s doable, but that’s for them to prove…No product is ready for competition in the educational world.

Philip E. Johnson, one of the founding fathers to intelligent design creationism. Whoops.
 
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The Painful Elaboration of the Fatuous - Norman Levitt Deconstructs Steve Fuller’s Postmodernist Critique of Evolution

Ultimately, then, we shouldn’t be startled by the alienation of academic non-scientists from science and technology, nor by the churlishnish with which they address such issues. Steve Fuller is merely an extreme case, an outlier. He represents what a widespread attitude may become when infused with mega-oses egotism and self-regard, and when maximally saturated with the desire to belittle and condescend to the much-hated scientific community. Fuller has perpetrated a dreadful book, but as a tantrum, it is exemplary. He may draw some cautious admiration from his colleagues for the operatic brio of his histrionics. But it seems to me doubtful — and this is a very good thing — that any large segment of the science-studies community, nor of the larger “academic left” will join him in the attempt to find comrades-in-arms in such venues as the Discovery Institute or the wider Intelligent Design movement. Figures like Johnson, Dembski, and Behe, not to mention Ahmanson and Monaghan, burn all too visibly with a searing desire to inaugurate a Godly polity that will be as intolerable to the postmodern left as to conventional liberals or secularists. These guys are just too scary, even for those academics who have heretofore flaunted their disdain for orthodox science. Fuller, I’m afraid, will just have to go it alone.

This is an extremely good review of the extremely poor book called "Science vs. Religion: Intelligent Design and the Problem of Evolution". Fuller testified with the ID creationists in Dover, and is, to say the least a peculiar character.
 
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Here is a video of a lecture by Ed Brayton on the Dover Trial entitled http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7854411378880668082 . It is a great description of the trial.

His blog can be found here:

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/
 
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Anybody else think that biologist from around the globe should just get together and declare Evolution a "law"? Make a HUGE deal out of it, too, with a celebration and stuff. I wonder what would come out of that.
 

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