Can Inert Gases Be Made Visible?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of making inert gases or other gases visible, particularly in a controlled environment. Participants explore methods to generate gases that resemble smoke and discuss safety considerations related to their visibility and inhalation.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether inert gases can be made visible using basic tools and techniques.
  • Another participant suggests that running an electric current through inert gases, as done in neon signs, could make them visible.
  • A participant expresses interest in finding "safe" gases that mimic the appearance and behavior of smoke, questioning the definition of 'safe'.
  • There is a mention of using a mixture of glycol and icing sugar in smoke machines, which is not inert but considered safe for some individuals.
  • One participant raises concerns about the 'dry' nature of smoke-like gases and their potential to fog up glass enclosures.
  • Another participant proposes using vented CO2 for a fog effect, noting its rapid dissipation and the visibility of dry-ice crystals before sublimation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on what constitutes a 'safe' gas and whether the gases discussed can be classified as inert. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to achieve visibility in gases.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined the parameters of 'safety' or the specific characteristics of gases they are considering. There is also ambiguity regarding the definitions of 'gas' and 'smoke'.

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Creating "Visible" Inert Gases

Please understand this this question is coming from a completely ignorant user who is just starting his research into an area he knows absolutely nothing about. Given that, my question(s) may make no sense at all to an educated set of people. Thank you.

Is there a way to create inert gases (or noble gases) that you can see? Meaning, can I generate a "safe" gas in a controlled environment using basic tools and equipment by applying techniques that will make that gas visible?
 
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Welcome to PF, Sshragg.
As far as I know, the only way to accomplish that would be to run an electric current through it. That's basically how neon signs work.
 
Creating "Visible" Inert Gases

Thank you. I think I may be limiting myself to inert gases. I'm trying to find out if there are any "safe" gases that look like and have the same characteristics as smoke (i.e. moves and dissipates the same), that is relatively easy and cheap to generate.
 
In that case, we need to know what you mean by 'safe'. Party or disco type smoke machines use a mixture of glycol and icing sugar. It's safe to inhale, as long as one doesn't have allergies. (My wife passed out from it, and she's in good health. I have emphysema, and it didn't bother me at all.)
It definitely is not 'inert', though.
Maybe one thing that you're misinterpreting is the definition of a 'gas'. Any smoke-like situation involves solid particles that you can see suspended in air that you can't.
 
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Thanks again. I think you have me going in the right direction. I plan on using it in a sealed environment, so "safe" is relative. I think I just so if some gets out, it doesn't seriously mame anyone.

Do you know if that type of smoke is "dry"? Meaning that if it was enclosed in glass it wouldn't fog it up?
 
I really don't know about the 'dry' aspect; it doesn't cling to furniture or windows in a party environment.
Another thing that comes to mind, though, if you want absolute safety and you don't need long 'hang time' is to use vented CO2. It dissipates and settles rapidly, but it gives a really awesome fog effect while it's active. What you see are dry-ice crystals before they sublimate.
 

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