Quantization of relativistic point particle, string style

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The discussion revolves around the quantization of a relativistic point particle as presented in string theory, particularly referencing Zwiebach's work. Participants explore the implications of using proper time in quantum mechanics and the challenges associated with probabilistic interpretations in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether string theorists have a valid technique for quantizing a relativistic point particle, noting that traditional QM and QFT texts suggest this is impossible.
  • Another participant asserts that the quantization leads to the Klein-Gordon equation but lacks a probabilistic interpretation in configuration space, although momentum space probabilities are defined.
  • Concerns are raised about the use of proper time in parametrizing wave functions, suggesting it could lead to different Fourier amplitudes propagating at varying speeds.
  • Some participants argue that issues with proper time cannot be resolved by switching to a multi-particle formulation, indicating a separation of these topics.
  • A later reply clarifies that the action's independence from the choice of proper time implies a vanishing Hamiltonian, leading to the conclusion that the wave function does not depend on proper time.
  • Another participant corrects a previous reference to the chapter number in Zwiebach's book, indicating that the relevant discussion is in chapter 11, which includes specific equations related to the Heisenberg and Schrödinger pictures.
  • One participant emphasizes that the Hamiltonian constraint implies the wave function does not depend on proper time, despite earlier equations suggesting otherwise.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of proper time in quantization and the interpretation of wave functions, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the interpretation of wave functions in relation to proper time and the implications of the Hamiltonian constraint. The discussion also highlights potential confusion over chapter references in Zwiebach's text.

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I don't have the Zwiebach's string theory book myself, but I paid a visit to a library, and took a glance on it. The chapter 5 was about relativistic point particle. Now, did I understand correctly, that the string people actually have a technique to quantize a relativistic point particle? I thought that the basic QM and QFT texts are forbidding that procedure, declaring it impossible.

The way how Zwiebach was using the proper time [tex]\tau[/tex] seemed dangerous. It's ratio to the time [tex]t=x^0[/tex] depends on the particle's velocity. So if you in quantum mechanics parametrize the wave function with such proper time, [tex]\psi(x,\tau)[/tex], aren't you having different Fourier amplitudes propagating with "different speeds in time" then? It looks very messy. I have difficulty seeing what's happening with that kind of approach.

Zwiebach seemed to be mainly interested in the operators. There was no discussion about spatial probability densities. Am I wrong to guess that despite the fact that string theorists have a technique to quantize a relativistic point particle, they have nothing to say about the probability densities of relativistic particles?
 
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You are right. Essentially, their quantization of the relativistic particle reduces to a derivation of the Klein-Gordon equation. They do not provide a probabilistic interpretation in the configuration space. (However, the probability in the momentum space is well defined, which is sufficient for most of the practical purposes.) At least this is so in the mainstream research in string theory. For my non-mainstream approach see however
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0806.1431
and references therein.
 
jostpuur said:
the string people actually have a technique to quantize a relativistic point particle? I thought that the basic QM and QFT texts are forbidding that procedure, declaring it impossible.
You run into trouble only if you insist that you have a single particle. That's another way of seeing

you [are] having different Fourier amplitudes propagating with "different speeds in time"
Chapter 5 is pretty short really, and half of it is non-relativistic. It only aims at showing where the idea for the simplest free lagrangian comes from. But all this is at a level even before the Nambu-Goto string. It's important in string theory since "string generate interactions", or "once you have defined the free sector, the theory is done" : interactions results form topological re-arrangements of the worldsheet.
 
humanino said:
You run into trouble only if you insist that you have a single particle. That's another way of seeing
you [are] having different Fourier amplitudes propagating with "different speeds in time"

I don't see how the problem about proper time, which I attempted to describe in the original post, could be dealt with by moving into multi-particle formulation. The multi-particle formulation, and the proper time stuff seem to be separate subjects.
 
jostpuur said:
The way how Zwiebach was using the proper time [tex]\tau[/tex] seemed dangerous. It's ratio to the time [tex]t=x^0[/tex] depends on the particle's velocity. So if you in quantum mechanics parametrize the wave function with such proper time, [tex]\psi(x,\tau)[/tex], aren't you having different Fourier amplitudes propagating with "different speeds in time" then? It looks very messy. I have difficulty seeing what's happening with that kind of approach.
The point is that the action does not depend on the choice of the parameter tau. Consequently, the Hamiltonian defined with respect to tau must vanish. In the particular case of a relativistic particle, this Hamiltonian is
H=p^2-m^2
where p is the 4-momentum. (Note that H is NOT the energy of the particle.) Therefore, we have equation
p^2-m^2=0
which is a well-known classical equation.
In the quantum case, this becomes
[p^2-m^2]|psi>=0
In the Schrödinger picture p becomes a derivative operator (times i\hbar), so the last equation becomes the Klein-Gordon equation. It describes the wavefunction psi(x), where x is the spacetime coordinate. Thus, psi(x) is NOT a function of the proper time tau.

If the Hamiltonian was not constrained to vanish, we would have a Schrödinger-like equation
H psi(x,tau) = i\hbar \partial_\tau psi(x,tau)
so psi would depend on both x^0=t and tau as two independent variables. But this is not the case. The constraint H=0 implies the constraint that psi does not depend on tau.
 
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I made mistake when talking about the chapter 5 (the relativistic point particle). It was the chapter 11 (the relativistic quantum point particle) that I meant. I looked at the chapter 11 in the library, but I didn't remember the number in home and tried to check it from amazon.com and then confused the two chapters with similar names.

There are equations like

[tex] H(\tau) = \frac{1}{2m^2}\big(p^I(\tau)p^I(\tau) + m^2\big)\quad\quad\quad (11.1)[/tex]

for the Heisenberg picture, and

[tex] i\frac{\partial}{\partial\tau}\psi(\tau,p^+,\vec{p}_T) = \frac{1}{2m^2}(p^Ip^I + m^2)\psi(\tau, p^+, \vec{p}_T)\quad\quad\quad (11.34)[/tex]

for the Schrödinger picture. The wave function seems very much to be a function of the proper time, although I'm not understanding this notation very well yet...
 
Jostpuur, (11.34) can be written as
[tex] H \psi = i \partial_{\tau} \psi[/tex]
However, as I explained in the previous post, psi does not depend on tau because this equation should be accompanied by another equation, the Hamiltonian constraint
[tex] H \psi = 0[/tex]
 

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