How to Solve a 4th Order ODE with Given Boundary Conditions?

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The discussion revolves around solving a fourth-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) with specific boundary conditions. Participants explore various methods, including Fourier transforms and standard solution techniques, while addressing the implications of the boundary conditions on the solution process.

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  • One participant presents the ODE y'''' - ky'' + 1 = 0 and expresses confusion about a term involving beta_n, which relates to the roots of the equation beta_n = tan(beta_n).
  • Another participant reformulates the ODE as z'' - kz + 1 = 0, where z = y''. They provide a general solution for z and derive the corresponding solution for y, indicating that boundary conditions lead to algebraic equations for constants.
  • A third participant discusses the characteristic equation of the ODE, noting the roots and providing a general solution for the associated homogeneous equation. They suggest a particular solution approach due to the nature of the right-hand side being constant.
  • The original poster inquires about applying Fourier transforms and how to determine boundary conditions for y'' at x = -h, expressing a desire to use inverse Laplace transforms for simplification.

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Participants present different methods and interpretations for solving the ODE, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the implications of the boundary conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the application of Fourier transforms and the handling of boundary conditions.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the boundary conditions and the specific application of Fourier transforms versus traditional methods. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the ODE and its solutions.

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Hi:

I try to solve this PDE as below:

y''''-ky''+1=0

With boundary conditions of x=0.y=y''=0 and x=-h,y=y'=0.
k and h are constant.
The solution look like from the Fourier transforms.
There is one term in the solution which is :

beta_n is the positive roots of the equation of beta_n=tan(beta_n). n is from 1 to infinity.

I have no idea how this term come from. If someone can help me, I really appreciate it!

Kevin
 
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First of all your ODE has the following form

z''-kz+1=0, where z=y''

The general solution to z is obtained by the wery standard method which lead to ODE

y''= exp(k^(1/2)*x)*C1+exp(-k^(1/2)*x)*C2+1/k

and after double integration

y = C1/k*exp(k^(1/2)*x)+C2/k*exp(-k^(1/2)*x)+1/2/k*x^2+C3*x+C4

what is the general solution to your ODE. Substitution of your boundary conditions gives you 4 algebraic equations for unknowns C1,C2,C3 and C4.
 
Almost the same thing: the characteristic equation for the differential equation y""- ky"+ 1= 0, which is the same as y""- ky"= -1, is r^4- kr^2= r^2(r^2- k)= r^2(r- \sqrt{k})(r+ \sqrt{k}) which has 0 as a double root and roots \sqrt{k} and -\sqrt{k}.

The general solution to the associated homogeneous equation is z= C_1x+ C_2+ C_3e^{x\sqrt{k}}+ C_4e^{-x\sqrt{k}}. Since the right hand side is a constant, normally we would try a constant solution but since a constant and x already satisfy the homogeneous solution, we try z= Ax^2. Then z'= 2Ax, z"= 2A and z"'= z""= 0. The equation becomes 0+ k(2A)= -1 so A= -1/(2k). The general soution to that equation is
z(x)= C_1x+ C_2+ C_3e^{x\sqrt{k}}+ C_4e^{-x\sqrt{k}}-\frac{1}{2k}x^2
 
Hi:

Thank you for response. If I want to use Fourier transform to solve this one, how can I find the boundary conditons for y''(-h)? I need to use inverse Laplace transform to convert the y function. Therefore, it will become much easier to use the Fourier transforms.

Kevin
 

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