The static Killing vectors in Kruskal coordinates

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The discussion focuses on the static Killing vectors in the context of the Kruskal extension of the Schwarzschild metric. Participants explore the implications of the transformation to Kruskal coordinates and the behavior of Killing vectors at specific points in the coordinate system, particularly at X=T=0. The conversation includes technical reasoning and mathematical derivations related to these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the static Killing field vanishes at X=T=0, given that it becomes collinear with the gradient of r, which is zero at that point.
  • Another participant suggests using the equations (1) and (2) along with the chain rule to calculate the static Killing vector field in Kruskal coordinates.
  • A later reply requests more detailed calculations regarding the static Killing vector field, indicating a desire for deeper exploration of the topic.
  • Another participant notes the transformation of the static Killing vector from Schwarzschild coordinates to Kruskal coordinates, providing a relationship between the two sets of coordinates.
  • It is mentioned that differentiating equations (1) and (2) with respect to time yields linear equations that relate to the components of the Killing vector.

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Participants express differing levels of engagement with the initial post, and while there is a shared interest in calculating the Killing vectors, the discussion does not reach a consensus on the approach or the implications of the findings.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the explicit expressions for r and t derived from equations (1) and (2), as well as the implications of the Killing vectors vanishing at specific points. The discussion relies on the assumptions inherent in the transformation to Kruskal coordinates and the definitions of the Killing vectors.

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Hello

In the Kruskal extension of the Schwarzschild metric, where the metric is now transformed into the new coordinates (T,X,\theta,\phi), the line element is

ds^2=-\frac{32M^3e^{-r/2m} }{r}(-dT^2+dX^2)+r^2(d\theta^2+\sin^2(\theta)d\phi^2),

with

\left (r/2m-1 \right ) e^{r/2m}=X^2-T^2 (1)
and t/2m=2\tanh^{-1}(T/X). (2)

From the equation (1) we see that \nabla_{\alpha}r=0 at X=T=0 and this is obvious. Okay, but we know that the static Killing field \xi^{\alpha} becomes collinear with \nabla_{\alpha}r=0 thus requiring \xi^{\alpha} to also vanish there. My question is that how is this possible? Looking at the static Killing vectors of the Schwarzschild metric in a general Cartesian-like coordinate system x^{\mu},
\xi^0=0 and {\xi}^{i}={\epsilon}^{{ik}}{x}^{k}
where
\epsilon^{ik}=-\epsilon^{ki} =\left[ \begin {array}{ccc} 0&amp;a&amp;-b\\ \noalign{\medskip}-a&amp;0&amp;c<br /> \\ \noalign{\medskip}b&amp;-c&amp;0\end {array} \right],

with a,b,c being all arbitrary constants, how come the above requirement (X=T=0) gets all Killing vectors to vanish? My own view on the problem is that we must find the explicit expressions for r and t from (1) and (2), respectively, and then calculate the Killing vectors and put X=T=0. Am I on the right track or what?

Thanks in advance
 
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Sorry, I haven't tried to read your post in detail.

I would use (1) and (2), and the chain rule for ordinary partial derivatives to calculate the static Killing vector field in Kruskal coordinates.
 
George Jones said:
Sorry, I haven't tried to read your post in detail.

I would use (1) and (2), and the chain rule for ordinary partial derivatives to calculate the static Killing vector field in Kruskal coordinates.

Would you mind going a little bit deep into details of the calculation!?

Thanks
AB
 
In Schwarzschild coordinates, the static Killing vector is \partial/\partial t, and

<br /> \frac{\partial}{\partial t} = \frac{\partial T}{\partial t} \frac{\partial}{\partial T} + \frac{\partial X}{\partial t} \frac{\partial}{\partial X},<br />

so the components of Killing vector \partial/\partial t with respect to the \left\{ T, X, \theta, \phi \right\} coordinates are

<br /> \left\{ \frac{\partial T}{\partial t}, \frac{\partial X}{\partial t}, 0, 0 \right\}.<br />

Differentiating (1) and (2) with respect to t gives two linear equations in the two non-zero components.
 

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