Solving Work Along a Force Field Path - A Math Question

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Work along a curved path is determined using line integrals, particularly when forces vary at different points in space. To find the path of a particle in a vector field with given initial conditions, the Lagrangian formulation of classical mechanics can be applied by solving the Euler-Lagrange equation. For a constant mass, Newton's equations can also be used, leading to a system of differential equations to determine the path. If the force field is conservative, the line integral remains constant regardless of the path taken, depending only on the initial and final positions. Understanding these mathematical frameworks is essential for solving complex physics problems involving variable forces.
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This might be more of a mathematical question, but the other day in Physics my teacher said that work along a curved path is a line integral, which made perfect sense to me. But then I wondered how one determines the path of travel if the force varies at each point x, y, and z. So how would you find the path of travel of a particle given a vector field of forces, an initial position and an initial velocity?
 
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This is exactly what the Lagrangian formulation of classical mechanics is for. Basically you write the Lagrangian, solve the Euler-Lagrange equation, plug in your initial conditions and you have your answer.
 
DaleSpam said:
This is exactly what the Lagrangian formulation of classical mechanics is for. Basically you write the Lagrangian, solve the Euler-Lagrange equation, plug in your initial conditions and you have your answer.

Okay good, that sounds hard. I'm glad the answer wasn't something really obvious, because I would be embarrassed for asking.
 
marschmellow said:
This might be more of a mathematical question, but the other day in Physics my teacher said that work along a curved path is a line integral, which made perfect sense to me. But then I wondered how one determines the path of travel if the force varies at each point x, y, and z. So how would you find the path of travel of a particle given a vector field of forces, an initial position and an initial velocity?

For a point-like (constant) mass all you need is to solve Newton's equation:
<br /> \mathbf{F}(\frac{d \mathbf{r}}{dt},\mathbf{r},t)=m\frac{d^2 \mathbf{r}}{dt^2}<br />
which is a system of 3 differential equations, the unknown is \mathbf{r}, the 'path of travel' (parametrized by time)
 
This maybe slightly off base with what you are talking about but incidentally, if your force field is conservative ( ie the force at any point depends on a function of position, like gravitational and electrostatic forces do ) then the line integral will be a constant for any path you choose and will depend only on your initial and final points.
 
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