Torque friction on a rotating disk

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The discussion focuses on calculating the torque exerted by friction on a rotating disk, detailing the steps to derive the torque equation and the time required to halt the disk. The torque due to friction is expressed as τ = (2/3)MμgR, derived through integration of the frictional force across the disk's radius. Participants seek clarification on specific calculations, such as the derivation of mass elements for circular rings and the simplification of equations. Additionally, a user inquires about adapting the calculations for a scenario involving an axial force on a hollow shaft, indicating a shift in focus from the original problem. The conversation highlights the complexities of torque calculations in different contexts.
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A uniform horizontal disk of mass M and radius R is rotating about its vertical axis with an angular velocity \omega. When it is placed on a horizontal surface, the coefficient of kinetic friction between the disk and the surface is \mu_k.Find

a)the torque \tau exerted by the force of friction on a circular element of radius r with width dr.

Let the element has a mass of dm.

<br /> \frac{dm}{M}=\frac{\pi(r+dr)^2-\pi r^2}{\piR^2}

dm=\frac{2M}{R^2}rdr

The torque is provided by the frictional force, therefore

<br /> d\tau=f_{friction}r=\mudm\ gr

d\tau=\frac{2M\mu g}{R^2}r^2dr

b)the total torque exerted by friction on the disk

Integrating,

\tau=\frac{2M\mu g}{R^2}\int_{0}^{R}r^2dr

gives us

\tau=\frac{2}{3}M\mu gR
c)the total time required to bring the disk to a halt.

\tau=I\alpha

Since disk is decelerating,

\alpha=-\frac{\tau}{I}=-\frac{4\mu g}{3R}

\omega=\omega_0+\alpha t

t=\frac{3R\omega}{4\mu g}

Can someone check my work? I don't have solutions to this question...
 
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Thanks! I'm not sure of my work because I'm not sure if I understand how torques work on surfaces right...
 
No problem with the physics.
 
I have a question, how was the 1/2 in

\frac{dm}{M}=\frac{\pi(r+dr)^2-\pi r^2}{\piR^2}

obtained?

And by the way, this is the dm for a circular ring? If i am not wrong?
 
And how did you simplify to the step below of the first?
 
Oh, that is a typo.. the 2 should have been the total area of the circle, \pi R^2.

To simplify the equation, you must realize that dr^2 is so small that it could effectively be taken aa 0.
 
Yeah got it.
 
I'm having trouble adapting this calculation to solve my problem. Instead of the mass of the disc acting as friction source, I have an axial force applied to a hollow shaft and the mass can be neglected. Here's an illustration...coffee cup upside down on desk (assumed wall thickness) and pressed down with some force, how much torque is required to 'break' static friction?

Any takers? I'll try to tackle it myself and post what I come up with.
 
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