ArXiv Endorsers: Experiences, Fairness & Rewards

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The discussion centers on the endorsement system used by arXiv, where established authors verify the appropriateness of submissions in specific subject areas. Concerns are raised about the potential for moderators to reject endorsed articles based on clarity and grammar, despite endorsers not being responsible for quality assessment. The consensus suggests that clarity is crucial for a paper's value, and poor writing can hinder acceptance. Paying endorsers for their time is discouraged, with the recommendation to hire professional editors instead. The moderation process is noted as somewhat lenient, but there are mechanisms in place to suspend endorsers if they endorse inappropriate submissions. Overall, the importance of clear writing and proper editing is emphasized for successful submissions to arXiv.
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Do you have any experiences with arXiv and endorsers.

Let us assume that I write a correct article, but not with the best clarity and grammar. If an endorser accepts my article, can a moderator reject the article and take away his endorsment?

Is it a habit to pay to endorser for his time studying article?

Are you think that moderators are enough fair?
Does any black list exist?

My personal view: if it is possible to punish endorser, it would be clever also to reward it, otherwise their criteria would be outrageous.
 
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exponent137 said:
Do you have any experiences with arXiv and endorsers.

I really don't know of anyone that uses endorsers. The people that I know that use arXiv do it because they themselves want to do the filtering of articles.

Let us assume that I write a correct article, but not with the best clarity and grammar. If an endorser accepts my article, can a moderator reject the article and take away his endorsment?

A scientific paper with bad clarity and grammar is a bad paper. I don't think you'll get many endorsers.

Is it a habit to pay to endorser for his time studying article?

If you are going to pay someone, then you can always pay an copy editor or translator to copy edit or translate the article.

Are you think that moderators are enough fair? Does any black list exist?

The Los Alamos preprint server isn't very heavily moderated, which is the likely point of it.
 
arXiv has endorsers to prevent obvious nonsense and crackpottery from driving out the science. If they were to find someone was paid to endorse, they would certainly take some action. Whether that would be to remove the preprint, or to remove the endorser from the list of endorsers or something else, it's impossible to say.
 
Thanks for information. But:
"to prevent obvious nonsense and crackpottery from driving out the science."
What this have to do with clarity and grammar.
I ask: if clarity and grammar are not enough, can endorser can lose endorsment?
It is logically, by me, that not?
 
If you need an editor, hire an editor. But you can't bribe an endorser under the guise of editing.
 
twofish-quant said:
I really don't know of anyone that uses endorsers. The people that I know that use arXiv do it because they themselves want to do the filtering of articles.

Note that he's talking about the endorsement system that was implemented a few years ago whereby when a random person uploads a paper to a particular section for the first time, they may need to have someone (who has already authored a certain number of papers in that section) verify that it is "appropriate for the subject area", before it is allowed to be posted in that section.
See http://arxiv.org/help/endorsement

Endorsers are not really supposed to judge the quality of the work (it is not peer-review). From the arXiv help:

We don't expect you to read the paper in detail, or verify that the work is correct, but you should check that the paper is appropriate for the subject area. You should not endorse the author if the author is unfamiliar with the basic facts of the field, or if the work is entirely disconnected with current work in the area.

It is, however, possible for someone to lose their ability to endorse for a particular section, and supposedly the people running the site reserve the right to do this "for any reason", so no one can answer the question with 100% certainty:

We reserve the right to suspend a person's ability to endorse for any reason. If you endorse a person who makes an inappropriate submission, we may suspend your ability to make endorsements.

Of course, as far as I know, the worst thing to happen to an "inappropriate submission" is that it is moved to the general Physics section.

This is just what I know from reading about it. I would actually be quite interested to hear from anyone who actually has first-hand experience with the endorsement system. Not everyone has to bother with it (I don't know if they use information from your IP address or e-mail address or how they do it, but I never had to bother with endorsers when I first uploaded papers from a University).

I do also want to emphasize a point that twofish-quant made. A paper that is not written clearly has very little value, even if you can somehow argue that there's good physics buried in there somewhere. I would strongly advise anyone to do whatever they can to make sure a paper is as clear as possible, with as few mistakes as possible -- even if you have to pay someone to edit it to make it clear and readable.
 
exponent137 said:
What this have to do with clarity and grammar.

Because if the paper is unclear and the grammar is bad, it's pointless to upload the paper.

If English isn't your first language, you can hire an editor to smooth over the grammar, or else write the paper in your first language, and then hire a translator and include an English translation.
 
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