Can an integral that is a variable of itself be solved?

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The discussion centers on the challenge of solving an integral where the variable of integration is also the variable being solved for, specifically in the context of determining the relationship between current (I) and time (t) in an electrical circuit involving voltage, resistance, inductance, and capacitance. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding integral equations.

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  • The original poster (OP) presents an integral equation involving current I and time t, questioning how to handle the situation where I is both a variable and part of the integral.
  • One participant suggests reading about integral equations, indicating that the problem may relate to established mathematical frameworks.
  • Another participant reformulates the integral and proposes differentiating both sides with respect to T to derive I'(T), suggesting this might lead to a solution.
  • A further reply references a related question from another post, implying that differentiating both sides of the equation could simplify the problem, although the exact nature of the problem remains unclear.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on how to resolve the integral involving the variable I. Multiple approaches are suggested, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to handle the integral.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of dealing with self-referential variables in integrals, and participants express uncertainty about the implications of their proposed methods. There are also references to related mathematical concepts that may not be fully explored in the current thread.

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Under the assumption that the voltage is V_f\left(1-e^{-\frac{t}{RC}}\right), where V_f is the final voltage, how would I determine the relationship between current I and time t?

I = \int_0^T \frac{V_f\left(1-e^{-\frac{t}{RC}}\right) - RI}{L} \,dt \,

L the magnetic inductance, R the resistance, and C the capacitance, are constants.

How would I plot current I as a function of time t? (The only variables here are I and t.) Let's assume initial conditions of I=0 and t=0. My problem here is that the variable I am trying to calculate is a variable inside the integral that is used in deriving the variable itself! How are such problems handled? Any help is appreciated! :smile:
 
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So, I take it that you mean that \displaystyle I(T\,) = \int_0^T \frac{V_f\left(1-e^{-\frac{t}{RC}}\right) - RI(t)}{L} \,dt\,.

Differentiate both sides w.r.t T and solve for I'(T). See if you can integrate the result to get I(τ).
 
OP has a related question in this other post.

note:
I=\int RI.dt - differentiate both sides gives

dI/I = R.dt

... what was the problem?
 

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