Can Charged Particles in a Magnetic Field Create Lift Like a Balloon?

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Charged particles in a magnetic field do not create lift like a balloon, as the magnetic field does not contain charged particles. While moving electric charges generate magnetic fields, they do not behave like hot air or helium. Lightning illustrates the interaction of charged particles and magnetic fields but does not provide a mechanism for lift in this context. The concept of using a charged needle inside a balloon suggests that while charge can affect air pressure, it ultimately leads to a reduction in balloon volume rather than lift. The discussion concludes that the idea may not be feasible based on current understanding.
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Hello there all, I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to a couple of these subjects but i was wondering if there is a particle of some sort that could be energized with an electrical charge and when this electrical charge passes through these particles it could make them act like hot air or helium but instead of a balloon containing these charged particles it's a magnetic field which would cause lift perhaps? I'm not sure, that is why i came here can anybody help me?
 
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I don't think so unless there might be some exotic example.

a particle of some sort that could be energized with an electrical charge

This means adding or removing electrons...

...this electrical charge passes through these particles it could make them act like hot air or helium but instead of a balloon containing these charged particles it's a magnetic field

a moving electric charge always has an associated magnetic field...like around a current carrying conductor...but the magnetic field does not in general "contain charged particles" anymore than does the magnetic field of a magnet.

consider lightning: it does a lot of stuff, like ionizing air into charged particles, has a magnetic field associated with the flow of charge, creates sound (thunder, a sonic phenomena)...but if I understand your posted description, doesn't provide THAT.
 
After I posted my reply , I wondered if aspects of a plasma might relate to your question:
(I don't think so, but maybe it will give your some insights.)

See for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics )
 
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Just batting around an idea, if one had a sharpened needle well inside a balloon envelope and charged it strongly, you would put charge into the air inside, and since like charges repel, you would see a tiny flow of charged air out of the balloon (assuming it was open at the bottom), however the resulting reduced air pressure inside would cause a volume reduction in the balloon.

So, that doesn't help.

LOL, interesting question.
 
It may be shown from the equations of electromagnetism, by James Clerk Maxwell in the 1860’s, that the speed of light in the vacuum of free space is related to electric permittivity (ϵ) and magnetic permeability (μ) by the equation: c=1/√( μ ϵ ) . This value is a constant for the vacuum of free space and is independent of the motion of the observer. It was this fact, in part, that led Albert Einstein to Special Relativity.
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