Proving Angular Momentum Magnitudes: Binomial Expansion Method

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The problem involves proving the relationship between the magnitudes of angular momentum and the binomial expansion, specifically showing that for large values of l, L approximates to (l + 0.5) * hbar.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of the binomial expansion to the expression for angular momentum, with attempts to simplify the expression for large l. Questions arise regarding the validity of approximations used and the handling of terms in the expansion.

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Some participants have provided insights into the correct application of the binomial expansion, noting the importance of the conditions under which approximations hold. There is an ongoing exploration of the differences in approaches and the implications of various approximations.

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Participants question the assumptions made in the initial attempts, particularly regarding the size of l and the resulting impact on the approximations used in the binomial expansion.

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Homework Statement


The allowed magnitudes of angular momentum are L = √(l(l+1)) * hbar. Use the binomial expansion to prove that when l is large, L ≈ (l + .5) * hbar.

Homework Equations


Binomial expansion formula: (1 + z)^n = 1 + nz + [n*(n-1)*z^2] / 2 + ...

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok. First I did:
L = √(l(l+1)) * hbar = [hbar * √l] * [1 + l]^.5
Then doing Bin. expan. apprx. for [1 + l]^.5,
I get a final answe, L ≈ hbar * √l * (1 + l/2)

Which is wrong. When compared to L ≈ (l + .5) * hbar, I can tell that I have an extra factor of √l, I think it has something to do with l being very large. Can someone please help me out? Thanks
 
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Factor the l out of (l(l+1))^(1/2)=(l^2+l)^(1/2)=(l^2*(1+1/l))^(1/2).
 
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Thank you so much. I understand it. So:

[l * (l + 1)] ^ (1/2) = (l + l^2) ^ (1/2) = [l^2 * (l + 1/l)] ^ (1/2) = l * (1+ 1/l)^(1/2) ≈ l * (1 + 1/2l).

Great, that achieves the correct answer. Thanks again
 
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perplexabot said:
Thank you so much. I understand it. So:

[l * (l + 1)] ^ (1/2) = (l + l^2) ^ (1/2) = [l^2 * (l - 1/l)] ^ (1/2) = l * (1- 1/l)^(1/2) = l * (1 + 1/2l).

Great, that achieves the correct answer. Thanks again

In the last step it isn't equal, right? It's just an approximation. I'm also not sure where the minus signs came from and then disappeared to. Just a typo, right?
 
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Dick said:
In the last step it isn't equal, right? It's just an approximation. I'm also not sure where the minus signs came from and then disappeared to. Just a typo, right?

Yes, you are right, this is an approximation and that minus sign is a typo (I will edit my post). Thanks again.
One last optional question though, would you by any chance know why my first trial was wrong (my first post)?
 
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Yes, you are right, this is an approximation and that minus sign is a typo (I will edit my post). Thanks again.
One last optional question though, would you by any chance know why my first trial was wrong (my first post)?

Sure. (1+x)^(1/2)~(1+x/2) is only a good approximation if x is small. So (1+1/l)^(1/2)~(1+1/(2l)) is a good approximation because 1/l is small. (1+l)^(1/2)~1+l/2 is a bad approximation because l is large.
 
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Dick said:
Sure. (1+x)^(1/2)~(1+x/2) is only a good approximation if x is small. So (1+1/l)^(1/2)~(1+1/(2l)) is a good approximation because 1/l is small. (1+l)^(1/2)~1+l/2 is a bad approximation because l is large.

Thank you for your time.
 

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