Gravitational force between disk and particle

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The problem involves calculating the gravitational force between a uniformly distributed mass over a disk and a particle located above its center. The context is within gravitational physics, specifically focusing on the interaction between mass distributions and point masses.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of mass elements and the correct formulation of the differential mass for rings within the disk. There are attempts to clarify the limits of integration and the relationship between the total mass and the mass of differential elements.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into the formulation of differential mass elements and integration techniques. Some have expressed confusion regarding the integration limits and the application of the gravitational force equation, while others have provided clarifications and corrections to the initial assumptions.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the correct interpretation of mass distribution and the need to account for the varying radius of the rings during integration. Participants are also considering the implications of density and how it relates to the total mass of the disk.

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Homework Statement


Mass M is distributed uniformly over a disk of radius a. Find the gravitational force between this disk-shaped mass and a particle with mass m located a distance x above the center of the disk.


Homework Equations


The problem gives the hint to use the equation found in an earlier problem for the force of gravity between a ring and a particle. This equation is \frac{GmMx}{(x^2+a^2)^{3/2}} where a is the radius of the ring and x is the distance of the particle with mass m from the ring of mass M.


The Attempt at a Solution


I switched out r (for the radius) for a, integrated with respect to r, and used 0 to a as my limits of integration. \int \frac{GmMx}{(x^2+r^2)^{3/2}}dr I'm not sure how to get the limits of integration on there. Anyway, the answer I got was \frac{GmMa}{\sqrt{x^2+a^2}}.

The back of the book has \frac{2GMm}{a^2}(1-\frac{x}{\sqrt{a^2+x^2}}). I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here. The radius of the ring is what is changing, which is why I integrated with respect to the radius r. Your help would be much appreciated.
 
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Before, M was the mass of a single ring. Now M represents the mass of the whole disk, so each of the many rings of thickness dr over the integration will have some portion of the whole mass. Call it dM.
 
Consider a differential element of mass dm. If you draw a figure, you will realize (if you think about it long enough) that this must be related to the area by:

$$ dm = 2\pi ada\sigma $$
Since you can imagine you have a disc which you added a small width increase da. You'll end up with a slightly nasty integral, but you can simplify it by doing some clever trickery related to the trigonometry of the problem (there are electrostatic analogs to this problem which you might want to look into as well).
 
Awesome, thank you so much. Totally overlooked that dM.
 
Ok, so dM=ρ2\pi dr, where ρ=\frac{M}{\pi a^2}. Then dM=\frac{2Mdr}{a^2}.

So the integral becomes
\int \frac{2GMmxdr}{a^2(x^2+r^2)^{3/2}}=\frac{2GMmx}{a^2}\int\frac{dr}{(x^2+r^2)^{3/2}}. The bounds of integration are from 0 to a. Substitute r=xtan\theta and dr=x(sec\theta)^2d\theta.

\frac{2GMmx}{a^2}\int (x^2+x^2(tan\theta)^2)^{-3/2}x(sec\theta)^2d\theta=\frac{2GMm}{a^2x}sin\theta=\frac{2GMmr}{a^2x\sqrt{x^2+r^2}} evaluated from 0 to a. The answer I get is \frac{2GMma}{a^2x\sqrt{x^2+a^2}}. Could you please point out what I'm missing? Thanks.
 
If ##\rho## is the density, then a differential mass element consisting of a ring of radius r and width dr is:

##dM = \rho \, 2 \pi r \, dr##

but ##\rho = \frac{M}{\pi a^2}## so that

## dM = 2 \frac{M}{a^2} r \, dr ##

Don't forget that r in the numerator.
 
Great, finally got it. Thank you gneill.
 

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