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Roger Penrose´s OR theory, Consiousness is a QM phenomenon?
I read a summary about the OR theory by Penrose, the problem is; why would QM has anything to do with consiousness? It seems now that when scientists cant explain something, the say its a QM phenomenon. QM theory has replaced philosophy and religion. Its a little more scientific so they don have...- rolnor
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- Consciousness Penrose
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- Forum: Quantum Interpretations and Foundations
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A Newmann-Penrose Spin coefficients for Schwarschild metric
I need to use the N-P formalism to apply in my work so I'm trying first to apply in a simple case to understand better. So in this article ( https://arxiv.org/abs/1809.02764 ) which I'm using, they present a null tetrad for the Schwarszchild metric in pg.14 (with accordance with the...- vinicius_linhares
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- General relaivity Penrose
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- Forum: Differential Geometry
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I Is Penrose's Cyclic Cosmology Model Only Applicable on a Local Scale?
A recent thread asked about Penrose's proposal on cyclic cosmology. It was closed due to lack of any remotely acceptable sourcing, even after prompting. Much of the original professional publication on this is not available on arxiv. However the following includes a summary of conformal cyclic... -
A Connectedness of Boundary Points in Schwarzschild Penrose Chart
In the Penrose chart for Schwarzschild spacetime, the boundary "at infinity" appears to be connected all the way around. I want to explore what that means physically and whether particular boundary points that appear to be connected on the chart actually are. I am using the following notes as a...- PeterDonis
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- Boundary Penrose Points Schwarzschild
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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B Penrose Diag Black Hole: Riddle Me This
I'm no expert in this stuff, and perhaps I don't understand these diagrams, but having said that, I don't understand why the typical Penrose diagrams I see of black holes look the way that they do. They all have a 45 degree (light speed) angle for the event horizon of the black hole, and they...- sbaker8688
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- Black hole Hole Penrose Riddle
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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I A bit confused with this question about the Penrose process
The first two parts to the question were as follows. If a vector field ##\xi## preserves the Maxwell field then ##\mathcal{L}_{\xi} F = 0## so by Cartan's magic formula ##i_{\xi} \mathrm{d}F + \mathrm{d}(i_{\xi} F) = 0##. But since ##\mathrm{d}F = 0## then ##\mathrm{d}(i_{\xi} F) = 0 \implies...- etotheipi
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- Bit Confused Penrose Process
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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Other Is The Road to Reality by Penrose a Good Buy for a Beginner?
Hello, i live in the US and decided to get this book off of amazon i was wondering if anyone has read, or atleast skimmed (its pretty big) through it and would mind telling me if its a good buy(although if it isnt, its a little late now :-p). also, I am pretty new to most of the theories. all...- iosman001
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- Penrose Reality
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- Forum: Science and Math Textbooks
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I Penrose's Latest Paper on CCC: Evidence or Wishful Thinking?
What do you think about Penrose's latest paper on CCC? (highlights mine) https://arxiv.org/pdf/1808.01740.pdf https://www.resonancescience.org/blog/Physicists-Think-They-Spotted-the-Ghosts-of-Black-Holes-from-Another-UniverseThe question is: Has he finally found some evidence for CCC, or is... -
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Penrose equation for a vacuum spacetime
Okay so for this one we can consider the Bianchi identity again$$\begin{align*} \nabla_{[\lambda}R_{\sigma \rho] \mu \nu} = 2 \nabla_{\lambda} R_{\sigma \rho \mu \nu} + 2\nabla_{\rho} R_{\lambda \sigma \mu \nu} + 2\nabla_{\sigma} R_{\rho \lambda \mu \nu} &= 0 \\ \nabla^{\lambda}...- etotheipi
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- Penrose Spacetime Vacuum
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- Forum: Advanced Physics Homework Help
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A The Penrose gravity thesis/interpretation of QM
The Penrose interpretation postulates that the wave function is real and that there is objective collapse without departing from reality as we know it. It does not make any assumptions; the observations of quantum mechanics and classical mechanics are exactly what they appear to us. "Accepting...- user30
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- Gravity Penrose Qm
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- Forum: Quantum Interpretations and Foundations
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I Penrose Singularity: Trapped & Anti-Trapped Surfaces Explained
As I understand Penrose proved there must a be a singularity using certain assumption for black holes and something called a "trapped surface:. Can anyone give a lay person explanation of what this and "anti trapped surface" are? How were they used in the singularity theorems and what was new...- windy miller
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- Penrose Singularity Surfaces
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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Cosmology Is Road to Reality by Penrose Suitable for Non-Experts?
I recently acquired the tome of Penrose's Road to Reality. I'm trying to figure who this book is intended for. It has a mix of deep mathematical physics concepts with light explanatory diagrams. I have a little bit of a mathematical background, bachelors in math, so I can follow it pretty...- dsaun777
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- Penrose Reality
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- Forum: Science and Math Textbooks
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A Penrose diagram of black hole with a changing event horizon
Dear all, I have a question on Penrose diagrams. Consider a collapsing star that forms a black hole with a Schwarzschild radius normalized to 1. What happens in the Penrose diagram when additional matter falls in? I suspect the diagram then has to look like this : When the outer shell (second...- Sonderval
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- Black hole Diagram Event horizon General relativity Hole Horizon Penrose Penrose diagram
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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Who is Penrose Sir Roger Penrose? Insights from His Recent Interviews
Sir Roger Penrose, famous for his numerous contributions to mathematics and physics, is approaching 90 but still pretty active. In this thread I'll post some of his most recent and best interviews. The interviews tend to be a mixture of him talking about some new idea of his, his prior academic...- Auto-Didact
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- Interview interviews Mathematician Penrose Roger penrose
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- Forum: General Discussion
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I 1-dim Penrose tiling = "musical sequence"? Why?
In several places (e.g., page 12 of http://www.cs.williams.edu/~bailey/06le.pdf), I have come across the aperiodic intervals in a one-dimensional Penrose tiling as "musical sequences". I do not see the connection between aperiodicity and music. The history of a fruitless but amusing search: (a)...- nomadreid
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- Music Penrose Sequence
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- Forum: General Math
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A Penrose paragraph on Bundle Cross-section?
I am reading "Road to Reality" by Rogen Penrose. In chapter 15, Fibre and Gauge Connection ,while going through Clifford Bundle, he says: .""""...Of course, this in itself does not tell us why the Clifford bundle has no continuous cross-sections. To understand this it will be helpful to look at...- Abhishek11235
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- Bundles Cross-section Differential geometry Fiber bundle Manifolds Penrose
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- Forum: Differential Geometry
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A Penrose: CCC predicts BICEP2 B-modes due to void magnetic fields, correlated to CMB Hawking Points
Very recently, Roger Penrose, along with Daniel An and Krzystztof Meissner, have submitted a new paper to PRL. In the new paper they present new empirical findings which support CCC. It doesn't seem to be out yet though, I can't find it anywhere, but I will place the link here when it is out...- Auto-Didact
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- Cmb Fields Hawking Magnetic Magnetic fields Penrose Points
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- Forum: Astronomy and Astrophysics
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A Erebons: Planck mass Dark Matter particles
Erebon theory is a novel explanation of dark matter recently invented by Roger Penrose. Erebons are scalar particles of the order of a Planck mass which can only interact gravitationally. When erebons decay, they release their energy as oscillating classical gravitational waves on the order of...- Auto-Didact
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- Dark matter Gravitational waves Mass Matter Particles Penrose Planck Planck mass
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- Forum: Beyond the Standard Models
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A Penrose: Noise in LIGO signal implies CCC
Roger Penrose, July 2017. Correlated "noise" in LIGO gravitational wave signals: an implication of Conformal Cyclic Cosmology- Auto-Didact
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- Dark matter Gravitational waves Ligo Noise Penrose Signal
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- Forum: Astronomy and Astrophysics
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B Can you solve Penrose's chess problem and win a bonus prize?
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/03/14/can-solve-chess-problem-holds-key-human-consciousness/- Auto-Didact
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- Ai Chess Penrose
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- Forum: General Math
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A Penrose Process & Hawking Area Theorem Explained
Hawking area theorem says that area of black hole generally never decrease. Penrose process says that energy can be extracted from black hole. Energy extraction will decrease mass? if yes then if mass is decreased then will area also decrease? I am confusing things here :(- Sumarna
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- Area Penrose Process Theorem
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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I The Road to Reality by Roger Penrose
Just started reading this book as an introduction to physics with a background of electrical engineering. It is absolutely fascinating and being new to the forum I'd appreciate it if anyone had any suggestions for further general learning. Thank you all for inspiring me to learn more physics...- Gosutag
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- Penrose Reality Roger penrose
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- Forum: Other Physics Topics
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B Penrose collapse and Superposition
According to Sabine http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2016/03/dear-dr-b-what-is-difference-between.html you can make superposition go away by just changing the basis state.. "All this is just to say that whether a particle is or isn’t in a superposition is ambiguous. You can always make its...- bluecap
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- Collapse Penrose Superposition
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- Forum: Quantum Physics
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I How do string theorists reply to Roger Penrose
Roger Penrose’s http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10664.html']Fashion,[/PLAIN] Faith and Fantasy in the New Physics of the Universe "Arguing that string theory has veered away from physical reality by positing six extra hidden dimensions, Penrose cautions that the fashionable nature of a...- kodama
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- Penrose Roger penrose String String theory
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- Forum: Beyond the Standard Models
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Happy 85th Birthday, Sir Roger Penrose
Roger Penrose, of course, needs no introduction. At 85 he is as productive as ever, publishing papers, giving guest lectures. He also has a new book on the way and a kid currently in primary school. Here is a somewhat recent interview detailing a few aspects of his life. Happy birthday to you...- Auto-Didact
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- Penrose Roger penrose sir
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A How Does the Penrose Process Allow for Energy Extraction from a Black Hole?
Hi everyone, I am a bit confused about the Penrose Process. Let's say a particle with energy E at infinity arrives in the ergoregion of a Kerr black hole and then it decays into two photons. One of them has L_1<0 and E_1<0 and hence it falls towards the singularity, while the other has L_2>0...- astrolollo
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- Kerr Mystery Penrose Process
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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A What's the truth behind CCC's concentric circles prediction for the CMB?
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1510.06537v1.pdf I found this semirecent paper about CCC's concentric circles prediction for the CMB. Is this just another piece of the debate, or is its significance enough to increase the plausibility of Penrose's model? Thank you in advance for your answers, and please... -
Is the firewall explained by the Penrose interpretation?
The firewall has been proposed to explain why entanglement monogamy isn't violated in the AMPS thought experiment. The firewall is hypothesized to break the entanglement between the particle pairs of Hawking radiation created near the horizon so that the total sum of radiation emitted by the...- T S Bailey
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- Interpretation Penrose
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- Forum: Beyond the Standard Models
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Can Penrose Stairs Be Realized on a Torus?
Nobody mentions that Penrose stairs is possible on the torus. I wonder Why. isn't this obvious?- mma
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- Penrose Torus
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- Forum: Topology and Analysis
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Riemannian Penrose Inequality: Proof Restriction to n=3?
I am reading the proof of the Riemannian Penrose Inequality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemannian_Penrose_inequality) by Huisken and Ilmamen in "The Inverse Mean Curvature Flow and the Riemannian Penrose Inequality" and I was wondering why they restrict their proof to the dimension ##n=3##...- Sasha_Tw
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- Dimensions General relativity Higher dimensions Inequality Penrose
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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A Penrose twistor theory correctly predicts 4 dimensions
string theory predicts dimensions but predicts 10 dimensions. Penrose twistor theory correctly predicts 4 dimensions, doesn't this make it more successful?- kodama
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- Dimensions Penrose Theory
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- Forum: Beyond the Standard Models
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Penrose Diagram for Multi-Blackhole Solutions: Reference
Can anybody recommend a reference (paper/textbook) where I can look up the Penrose diagram for multi-black hole spacetimes or multi-center solutions? Appreciate.- Roy_1981
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- Diagram Penrose Penrose diagram
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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Can string theory and Penrose interpretation coexist?
Can the M theory/ string theory coexist with the penrose interpretation of quantum mechanics?- Nav
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- Interpretation M theory Penrose Quantum mechanics String String theory Theory
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- Forum: Quantum Interpretations and Foundations
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Penrose Diagrams: How to Create with Known Spacetime Metric
Hi Pfs Is there a method to draw a Penrose diagram when the spacetime metric is known? Thanks.- naima
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- Diagrams Penrose
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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Trouble understanding 2-side BH Penrose diagram
I've seen this a few times now, but it's not quite sinking in? How are the left and right sides of that 2-side BH Penrose diagram disconnected but share the BH? I keep thinking you could go around the black hole. Trying to think of a metaphor that correctly captures my confusion. Picturing a...- Jimster41
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- Diagram Penrose Penrose diagram
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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Question about the Penrose process
Can anyone tell me how energy created via the Penrose process can be extracted and converted into useable energy? What kind of infrastructure would we need on Earth, in space, etc.? Many articles talk about how energy can be created through the Penrose / Blandford–Znajek process, but none...- pbjsandwich
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- Black holes Energy conversion Penrose Process
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Necessary conditions for a Penrose diagram?
What conditions are necessary if it's to be possible to make a Penrose diagram for a 3+1-dimensional spacetime? It seems that rotational symmetry is not necessary, since people draw Penrose diagrams for Kerr black holes. If you don't have rotational symmetry, how do you know what 2-surface is...- bcrowell
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- Conditions Diagram Penrose Penrose diagram
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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Penrose Diagram for the Kerr Black Hole
Hey Guys, so i was reading Hawking&Ellis a bit and still encounter always problems with the Penrose-Diagrams. Looking at the Penrose-Diagram for the rotating Kerr-Black hole (just one illustrating picture at the end) i come up the following question: Why are there TWO regions III and III ? In...- Clauslism
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- Black hole Diagram Hole Interpretation Kerr Penrose Penrose diagram Singularity
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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Black Hole Penrose Process: Understanding Negative Energy Condition
##E= -T^uP_u ##, where ##T^u## is the time-like killing vector associated with the Kerr Metric and ##P_u## is the 4-momentum of the particle. ##E## is the energy. Outside the ergosphere ##T^u## is time-like and inside the ergosphere it is space-like. Therefore it can be arranged within the...- binbagsss
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- Black hole Hole Penrose Process
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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Einstein's Regret: Penrose Asserts on Relativity
In the following program http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b02144gl Penrose asserts that Einstein regretted the term relativity because it gave ammunition to those who assert that there is not one truth or that reality is a social construct. Does anyone have exact quotes from Einstein asserting...- gamow99
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- Einstein Penrose Relativity Term
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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Radical new cosmic model (Barrau Linsefors one-up Penrose)
==from conclusions section on page 4 of Barrau Linsefors June paper== V. REBIRTH OF THE UNIVERSE AND TESTS OF THE MODEL In the far future, huge patches of our universe, with radii larger than the Hubble scale, will be completely empty. They will be pure dS spaces. If the model suggested in this...- marcus
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- Model Penrose Radical Telescope
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- Forum: Beyond the Standard Models
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BICEP2 & Penrose: Inflation's Impact on Proving Initial Conditions
If inflation is proven by BICEP 2, then what happens with Penrose's proof that infaltion assumes unprobable initial conditions? -
Conne's indexing construction for Penrose tilings
in Appendix D, pp. 179 ff, of Alain Conne's "Noncommutative Geometry", he outlines a process. He looks at Penrose tilings of the plane which are composed of two types of triangles L [with 2 longer sides of length \phin+1, and one shorter side of \phin) for integers n, whereby \phi is the...- nomadreid
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- Construction Penrose
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Sir Roger Penrose: Challenging Modern Physics Theories
http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/04/04/2014/sir-roger-penrose-cosmic-inflation-is-fantasy.html What does Sir Roger know that others do not. Sir Roger Penrose calls string theory a "fashion," quantum mechanics "faith," and cosmic inflation a "fantasy." Coming from an armchair theorist... -
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Penrose Diagrams - Introduction
Penrose Diagrams -- Introduction I'm woefully ignorant of a lot of things in GR, and now that I'm moving away from my comfortable spot in condensed matter, I'd like to know how to interpret Penrose diagrams. I'm having trouble understanding what it is they're actually showing and why they'd be...- Jolb
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- Diagrams Introduction Penrose
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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Question on Chapter 7 : Penrose Road to Reality
A little about my background. I have a undergraduate degree in physics which I obtained exactly 20 years back. I also have a undergraduate degree in EE which I obtained about 17 years back. I have worked as a software engineer all my life and currently also pursuing my MBA in Finance. Needless...- smodak
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- Penrose Reality
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- Forum: Other Physics Topics
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Intro Physics What Can The Road to Reality Teach Us About Physics?
Author: Roger Penrose Title: The Road to Reality Amazon Link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0679776311/?tag=pfamazon01-20 Prerequisities: High-school mathematics and physics (in principle) Contents:- micromass
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- Penrose Reality
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Penrose zigzag model of Higgs-electron interaction
Roger Penrose in Chapter 25 of his book The Road to Reality describes a "zigzag" model of the electron that consists of a pair of massless components one with a left-handed spin (the zig) and the other with a right-handed spin (the zag). He says that the Dirac equation can be written as a pair...- johne1618
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- Interaction Model Penrose
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- Forum: High Energy, Nuclear, Particle Physics
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Singularity theorems (Hawkign & Penrose)
Does anybody kow about a good summary (online) of the singularity theorems?- tom.stoer
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- Penrose Singularity
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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Updates on Penrose Quantum Mirror Experiment
http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jun/cover/article_view?b_start:int=3&-C= Any updates on the mirror experiment depicted in the above drawing to refute or proof Penrose theory?- stglyde
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- Experiment Mirror Penrose Quantum
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- Forum: Quantum Physics