1-this is what is written in my book:E= Ir+E' where E' is the back

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The discussion revolves around various concepts related to electrical motors, back electromotive force (emf), energy transfer in circuits, and the behavior of capacitors. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of these topics, including the nature of back emf, power calculations, and energy storage in capacitors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why back emf is treated as a constant in motors despite varying current, suggesting a need for clarification on this assumption.
  • Another participant asks how energy can be transferred back to a generator when a pure inductor is connected to an AC source, indicating confusion about energy flow in this scenario.
  • A query is raised regarding the proof of the relationship between average power and the cosine of the phase angle (Φ) in sinusoidal voltage cases.
  • Participants discuss whether back emf in motors can take a sinusoidal form, with one suggesting it likely does.
  • There is a question about the correctness of the formula for mechanical power converted by the motor, specifically P(mechanical)=E'*I.
  • One participant wonders if electrical energy converted to mechanical energy increases when a motor is loaded and whether this affects current intensity.
  • A concern is expressed about the mechanical power being smaller when a motor is loaded, despite increased current intensity, due to a potential decrease in back emf.
  • Inrush current in electrical devices when first turned on with AC supply is questioned, seeking an explanation for this phenomenon.
  • A participant asks why a capacitor retains the same voltage as the generator after disconnection.
  • There is a question about how a capacitor stores energy and whether storing charge is equivalent to storing energy.
  • Another participant responds that a capacitor stores energy in the form of an electric field between its plates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints and questions, indicating that there is no consensus on several topics, particularly regarding the nature of back emf, energy transfer in inductors, and the relationship between current and mechanical power in loaded motors.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the behavior of electrical components under different conditions, such as loading and phase relationships, which may not be fully resolved. The nature of back emf and its treatment in calculations is also a point of contention.

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1-this is what is written in my book:
E= Ir+E' where E' is the back emf, r and E' are constants
P(mechanical)=E'*I
an electrical motor functions only if the generator connected across its terminals delivers a positive potential difference that exceeds its back emf.
So my question is, why are they regarding the back emf as constant quantity that characterizes each motor though the current across the motor is not always constant?

2-"in case we connected a pure inductor(coil) to AC generator, during a part of the cycle, energy is actually transferred from the inductor (load) back into the voltage source. we get a net power dissipation of zero."
how could energy be transferred to a generator??
in this case, a current is traversing the circuit without dissipating energy, will the current traversing the coil in this situation has a very large intensity as the case of a short circuit?

3-is there any proof why the average power equals cosine the phase angle (Φ) between voltage and current(case of sinusoidal voltage)?

4-does the back emf in motors have sinusoidal form?

5-P(mechanical)=E'*I where E' is the back emf
is this formula of mechanical power converted by the motor right??

6-does the electrical energy converted to mechanical energy by the motor increase when the motor is loaded? will the intensity of the traversing current increase?

7-in case a motor is loaded, will the mechanical power converted by the motor be smaller although the intensity of current has increased??
since P(mechanical)=E'*I where E' is the back emf, E' decreases when the motor is loaded?

8-what causes Inrush current drawn by an electrical device when first turned on in case we are supplying the device AC current?

9-why does the capacitor gets the same voltage of the generator after it is disconnected?

10-i have understood how a capacitor stores charge, but my question is how does capacitor stores energy? is storing charge the same as storing energy?
 
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10) Capacitor stores energy in the form of electric field in between the plates. (Field has energy associated with it!)
 


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brainyman89 said:
2-how could energy be transferred to a generator??
Does that really happen. I thought that a current flowed through the generator (which wasn't generated by the generator)
3-is there any proof why the average power equals cosine the phase angle (Φ) between voltage and current(case of sinusoidal voltage)?
I have one in my textbook.
4-does the back emf in motors have sinusoidal form?
I think yes.
5-9
i replied just because nobody else was replying.
 

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