10 Pin Dual 7 Segment Display cant find documentation

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The discussion revolves around identifying the pin configuration of a 10-pin dual 7 segment display salvaged from a device called the "Singing Machine." Participants explore potential connections and configurations, sharing insights and suggestions for testing the display.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the difficulty in finding documentation for the 10-pin version of the display, which is typically available for 14-pin versions.
  • Another participant suggests a method to identify the pins using a resistor and power supply, but acknowledges the complexity due to multiplexing.
  • A request for a picture of the display is made to assist in identifying markings or configurations.
  • One participant mentions that to drive two sets of seven segments, at least 9 pins are needed if segments are shared, questioning the control mechanism for each display.
  • Another participant describes the behavior of the pins, indicating that certain pins control individual displays and that the configuration may involve common cathodes or anodes.
  • There is a suggestion that the display might use multiplexing, requiring alternating activation of the digits to avoid flickering.
  • Links to external resources are provided, including a blog post and a datasheet for a similar display, which may offer additional insights.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses about the pin configuration and control mechanisms, but no consensus is reached on the exact wiring or functionality of the display. The discussion remains exploratory with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for multiplexing and the need for further experimentation to determine the correct pin functions. There are unresolved assumptions about the display's internal circuitry and how it was designed to operate.

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Hey Guys,

So I was scrapping parts from an ancient present I found up in the attic called the "Singing Machine". Point is I managed to retrieve a dual 7 segment display. The only documentation I can find online is for 14 pin versions of these things. Strangely this only has 10 pins and I can assure you none broke off. Anyone have any idea what these pins match to?
 
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JCoder said:
Hey Guys,

So I was scrapping parts from an ancient present I found up in the attic called the "Singing Machine". Point is I managed to retrieve a dual 7 segment display. The only documentation I can find online is for 14 pin versions of these things. Strangely this only has 10 pins and I can assure you none broke off. Anyone have any idea what these pins match to?

It should be pretty simple to figure out. Put a 10K resistor on a 5-15V power supply, then in a darkened room touch the leads to different pairs of pins. Once you know what's what, crank the current up for reasonable brightness.
 
I kinda expected to get that answer. I have been playing around with the pins for about 2 hours now but most of them seem to be multiplexed.
 
Can you post a picture? Are there any markings on it?
 
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Interesting. Googling the part number doesn't turn up anything helpful (but you knew that already). To drive two sets of seven segments takes at least 9 pins if you share the segments and just have two different common cathodes or common anodes per digit.

You said you did some beeping -- were you able to identify a CC or CA or two?
 
The strange thing is this was used for a track number display for a CD so both 7 seg's must have been controlled differently. Pin 7 when + turns on the right screen and Pin 8 + turns on the left screen. When both are + both screens go on. Whenever I change the other pins they change both screens so I am confused as to how to change each screen individually. Pin 2 when - is the d.p. Each Pin is an annode because it is only affected when in the - side. I believe I am describing this correctly. Sorry I am not very familiar with describing it other ways.
 
berkeman said:
Interesting. Googling the part number doesn't turn up anything helpful (but you knew that already). To drive two sets of seven segments takes at least 9 pins if you share the segments and just have two different common cathodes or common anodes per digit.
If I were designing this, I would use the 10 pins for Vcc, ground, and two BCD 1248 signals. The 4 line to 7 line decoders would be inside the chip.
 
JCoder said:
The strange thing is this was used for a track number display for a CD so both 7 seg's must have been controlled differently. Pin 7 when + turns on the right screen and Pin 8 + turns on the left screen. When both are + both screens go on. Whenever I change the other pins they change both screens so I am confused as to how to change each screen individually. Pin 2 when - is the d.p. Each Pin is an annode because it is only affected when in the - side. I believe I am describing this correctly. Sorry I am not very familiar with describing it other ways.

So it sounds like each digit is configured with a common cathode (- side), with the two CC pins providing multiplex access to the digits. Each of the pairs of 7 segments share an anode pin. So your drive circuit will need to drive the two digits in an alternating fashion, with each digit being on for 1/2 of the time. Drive them above the flicker fusion frequency of the human eye -- something like 50Hz should be fast enough, but you can experiment.
 
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Berkeman, that actually makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the help everyone.
 

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