15.1.55 Find the mass of the plates with the following density functions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the mass of thin rectangular plates with specified density functions over a defined region in the xy-plane. Participants explore various density functions, perform integrations, and discuss the implications of their calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Homework-related, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the mass calculation for a plate with density function \( p(x,y) = 10 + \sin{x} \) and provides a step-by-step integration process.
  • Another participant points out a missing \( dy \) in the integration setup for the mass calculation.
  • Several participants express confusion regarding the "slam dunk method" for determining the order of integration and clarify that integration can be performed with respect to either variable in a rectangular region.
  • One participant shares their experience starting a calculus III class focused on parametric curves, which they feel is unrelated to the current discussion.
  • Another participant provides the mass calculation for the density function \( p(x,y) = 10 + \sin{y} \) and presents their integration steps.
  • A later reply emphasizes treating \( \sin(y) \) as a constant when integrating with respect to \( x \).
  • Participants also mention a third density function \( p(x,y) = 10 + \sin{x}\sin{y} \) but do not provide calculations for it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the integration process but express differing views on the relevance of certain methods and concepts introduced, such as the "slam dunk method" and parametric curves. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to integration order and the implications of the density functions.

Contextual Notes

There are missing assumptions regarding the integration limits and the treatment of density functions. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, particularly for the density function \( p(x,y) = 10 + \sin{x}\sin{y} \).

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$\textsf{A thin rectangular plate, represented by a region $R$ in the xy-plane}\\$
$\textsf{has a density given by the function p(x,y);}\\$
$\textsf{This function gives the area density in units such as $g/cm^2$}\\$
$\textsf{The mass of the plate is $\displaystyle\iint\limits_{R}p(x,y)dA$}\\$
$\textsf{Assume that $R=[(x,y): 0 \le x \le \frac{\pi}{2}, \, 0 \le y \le \pi]$}\\$
$\textsf{and find the mass of the plates with the following density functions}\\$

$\textit{a. $p(x,y)=10+\sin{x}$ (will do this one first)}\\$

\begin{align*}\displaystyle
M&=\int_0^\pi \int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}} 10+\sin{x} \, dx\\
&=\int_0^\pi
\left[10x-\cos\left(x\right)\right]_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \, dy\\
&=\int_0^\pi 5{\pi}+1 \, dy\\
\end{align*}

hopefully so far ?

$\textit{b. $p(x,y)=10+\sin{y}$(this plotted outside the limits ?)}\\$
$\textit{c. $p(x,y)=10+\sin{x}\sin{y}$ (I tried to plot this in desmos but ?)}\\$
 
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Re: 15.1.55 find the mass of the plates with the following density functions

Looks good except you forgot a $dy$ at the end of the right-hand side of the first line of your working for $M$.
 
Re: 15.1.55 find the mass of the plates with the following density functions

greg1313 said:
Looks good except you forgot a $dy$ at the end of the right-hand side of the first line of your working for $M$.

ok

not sure what the slam dunk method is for
determining who to shrink first the x or the y

oh, started calc III class today (6 students) not sure who will still be alive by christmas

it was on parametric curves:rolleyes:
 
Re: 15.1.55 find the mass of the plates with the following density functions

karush said:
ok

not sure what the slam dunk method is for
determining who to shrink first the x or the y

oh, started calc III class today (6 students) not sure who will still be alive by christmas

it was on parametric curves:rolleyes:
I really don't know what you mean by "shrinking" x or y. With a rectangular region, a\le x\le b and c\le y \le d you can integrate with respect to either variable first:
\int_a^b\int_c^d f(x, y)dy dx= \int_c^d\int_a^b f(x, y)dx dy.

Further these problems have nothing to do with 'parametric curves'.
 
Re: 15.1.55 find the mass of the plates with the following density functions

HallsofIvy said:
I really don't know what you mean by "shrinking" x or y. With a rectangular region, a\le x\le b and c\le y \le d you can integrate with respect to either variable first:
\int_a^b\int_c^d f(x, y)dy dx= \int_c^d\int_a^b f(x, y)dx dy.

Further these problems have nothing to do with 'parametric curves'.
some of the homework questions were:
which Integral should be done first
to make it easier.

the class itself was on parametric curves
unrelated to the post
 
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Re: 15.1.55 find the mass of the plates with the following density functions

\begin{align*}\displaystyle
M_a&=\int_0^\pi \int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}} 10+\sin{x} \, dx \, dy\\
&=\int_0^\pi
\left[10x-\cos\left(x\right)\right]_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \, dy \\
&=\int_0^\pi 5{\pi}+1 \, dy\\
&=\left(5{\pi}+1\right)y|_0^{\pi}\\
&=5\pi^2+\pi
\end{align*}

assume ok now for b and c

$\textit{b. $p(x,y)=10+\sin{y}$}\\$
$\textit{c. $p(x,y)=10+\sin{x}\sin{y}$}\\$
 
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Re: 15.1.55 find the mass of the plates with the following density functions

$\textit{b. $p(x,y)=10+\sin{y}$}\\$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
M_b&=\int_0^\pi \int_0^{\pi/2} 10+\sin{y} \, dx \, dy\\
&=\int_0^{\pi} 10y-\cos(y)\Big\vert_0^{\pi/2} \, dy \\
&=\int_0^{\pi} 1-5\pi \, dy \\
&=(1-5\pi)y \Big\vert_0^{\pi}\\
&=\pi - 5\pi^2
\end{align*}

hopefully:confused:
 
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Re: 15.1.55 find the mass of the plates with the following density functions

When you integrate w.r.t $x$, then you treat $\sin(y)$ as a constant...:)
 

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