Automotive Understanding the Performance Differences: 16V vs 8V Engines

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16V engines produce more horsepower primarily due to their ability to optimize airflow through multiple smaller valves, enhancing breathing at high RPMs. In contrast, 8V engines typically generate more torque at lower RPMs because their design promotes better inlet geometry, creating swirl for improved mixture and combustion. The discussion highlights that while larger valves can provide significant flow area, smaller valves allow for more efficient use of cylinder head space, particularly in high-performance applications. The LSx series engine from GM exemplifies this, achieving high power outputs with only two valves per cylinder. Overall, the choice between 8V and 16V designs involves trade-offs between low-end torque and high-end power efficiency.
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I want to know exactly why 16V engines produce more HP?
Please explain in detail.
What is the exact reason?
Why usually 8 Valve engines produce more torque lower down the rev range?
 
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Look at the LSx series engine from GM. Two valves per cylinder and they make good power. 400 HPs from 5.7 liters.
 
I thinnk it's a practical matter - manufacturability.

The flow area through which the engine "breathes" would be the circumference of the valve, not its area, times valve lift.

flow area of valve = pi X diameter X height
cylinder head real estate occupied by valve = pi X (diameter/2)^2

Make it simple - look at one 2" valve vs two 1" valves, all having 1/2 " lift..

The two inch valve requires pi square inches of cylinder head real estate, and provides pi square inches of flow area.

The smaller valves provide the same flow area in half the cylinder head real estate.

So, when valve flow area becomes the limit on breathing, which would be at high RPM, switch to more and smaller valves . That way you can fit more flow area into available real estate.

Sound logical?
 
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2milehi said:
Look at the LSx series engine from GM. Two valves per cylinder and they make good power. 400 HPs from 5.7 liters.

So what?
The reason for 2 valves per cylinder creating better low down torque, is partially inlet geometry. Typically the valve is off to the side, so when the cylinder fills swirl is generated, allowing for a better mixture and combustion. At high rpm tumble is the dominant flow in cylinder.

Variable valve systems with 4 valves, now shut off 1 inlet at low rpm to induce swirl in cylinder.
 
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