1A caused by half the charge density at twice the velocity

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The discussion revolves around the effects on the electric field in a steady current of 1A when the drift velocity of charge carriers is non-uniform due to varying charge carrier density. Participants explore the implications of this scenario on electromagnetic fields, particularly focusing on the curl of the electric field and the relationship between charge density and drift velocity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the consequences for the electric field when the drift velocity is non-uniform along a conductor with varying charge carrier density, suggesting that this could lead to non-zero curl of the electric field at the junction of different current elements.
  • Another participant asserts that in a steady state field, all time-varying terms are zero, leading to a conclusion that the curl of the electric field must also be zero.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the idea that if the current density does not depend on time, the vector potential will also be time-independent, resulting in a zero curl of the electric field due to the time-independence of the magnetic field.
  • One participant reflects that the curl associated with length contraction from non-uniform drift velocity may be exactly canceled by the curl due to the convective acceleration of the charge carriers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of the electric field's curl in the context of non-uniform charge densities and drift velocities. There is no consensus on whether the curl of the electric field is zero or if it can be non-zero under certain conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of static versus time-varying fields, and the assumptions regarding the uniformity of current density and charge carrier behavior are not fully resolved.

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In the situation consisting of a steady current of 1A in an arbitrary closed path, what would the consequences be for the electric field if the drift velocity was non-uniform along the path due to non-uniform carrier density?

This would be a case of a "uniform" 1 amp, but where the charge carrier density varies along the conductor which could be due to wire of varying thickness or use of different conductor materials along the path.

Now I understand that, ignoring resistive heating, all the electric fields due to these "idealized" steady currents would be radial to their sources, and so we would not expect the emission of electromagnetic waves.

Now, just because the electric fields are radial to their respective sources does not mean that the curl of those fields are all zero, for after all an isolated charge moving at constant velocity will cause changes in magnetic fields that we know generate the curl of electric fields per the Maxwell-Faraday equation.

If I understand correctly, if I compare two current elements with the only difference being that the second current element has half the charge carrier density at twice the drift velocity, then the difference made on the electric field due to length contraction is not the same and is approximately double compared to that of the first current element. If that is true, then shouldn't we expect that the curl of the electric field would not vanish in the region surrounding a point where such two current elements meet each other?
Kevin M.
 
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In such cases there will be a surface charge density at the interface. If it is a steady state field then, by definition all of the time varying terms will be zero and therefore the curl of the E field will also be 0.
 
If the current density J(r,t)=J(r) does not depend on time then the vector potential A(r,t) will be A(r) that is it will not depend on time because it is

##\vec A(r,t)=\int \frac{\vec J(r',t-\frac{|r-r'|}{c})}{|r-r'|}d^3r'=\int \frac{\vec J(r')}{|r-r'|}d^3r'=\vec A(r)##

And since A(r) doesn't depend on time then
##B=\nabla \times A## doesn't depend on time either, hence

##Curl(E)=\nabla \times E=-\frac{\partial B}{\partial t}=0##.
 
After some thought, it now appears to me that in the case of static charge/current densities that the curl due to the length contraction due to non-uniform drift velocity of the charge carriers is canceled exactly by the curl of electric field due to the convective acceleration of said charge.
 

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