2 vectors orthogonal to 3 4-d vectors

  • Thread starter Thread starter Damascus Road
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Orthogonal Vectors
AI Thread Summary
The discussion focuses on finding two unit vectors orthogonal to three given vectors in four-dimensional space. The user starts by expressing the orthogonal vector z in terms of its components and sets up equations based on the dot product with the three vectors. It is clarified that using only two equations limits the solution to two vectors orthogonal to only two of the given vectors, thus excluding the third. Participants emphasize the need to consider all three equations simultaneously, noting that with four unknowns and three equations, ratios can be used to simplify the problem. The conversation concludes with a suggestion to reduce variables for easier calculations.
Damascus Road
Messages
117
Reaction score
0
Greetings,
I'm a little stuck on this algebra question

Find 2 unit vectors orthogonal to v1 = <3,1,1,-1>, v2 = <-1,2,2,0> and v3 = <1,0,2,-1>

I know that this means that if I let z be the vector orthogonal to these 3 then,

z.v1 = z.v2= z.v3 = 0

And that my two vectors is likely +/- z.

I can do something like this:

z = <a,b,c,d>

z.v1 = z.v2

3a + b + c -d = -a + 2b + 2c

but now what? Or is this the wrong idea?

Thanks in advance!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
This is rather tricky. Hm. If you're only using:
Z \cdot V1 = Z \cdot V2
then you're only solving for a vector that is orthogonal to V1 and V2, means you're excluding V3. So you need to use the third equality as well.

Even so, you have 4 unknowns and 3 equations. Something's amiss.
 
Damascus Road said:
Find 2 unit vectors orthogonal to v1 = <3,1,1,-1>, v2 = <-1,2,2,0> and v3 = <1,0,2,-1>

I know that this means that if I let z be the vector orthogonal to these 3 then,

z.v1 = z.v2= z.v3 = 0

And that my two vectors is likely +/- z.

z.v1 = z.v2

3a + b + c -d = -a + 2b + 2c

Greetings Damascus Road! :smile:

Yes, z.v1 = z.v2= z.v3 = 0 …

so your last line should be 3a + b + c -d = -a + 2b + 2c = 0 (= a + 2c - d) … three equations in four variables (which is ok, since you only need the ratios :wink:)
 
Thanks for the replies!

I'm confused about the ratios however. Can I set the individual components equal?
3a = a = -a?
 
Damascus Road said:
Thanks for the replies!

I'm confused about the ratios however. Can I set the individual components equal?
3a = a = -a?

Nooo … these are three separate linear equations …

if it makes you happier, you can reduce the number of variables to 3 (a/d b/d and c/d) by rewriting the equations as 3a/d + b/d + c/d = 1 etc. :wink:
 
I picked up this problem from the Schaum's series book titled "College Mathematics" by Ayres/Schmidt. It is a solved problem in the book. But what surprised me was that the solution to this problem was given in one line without any explanation. I could, therefore, not understand how the given one-line solution was reached. The one-line solution in the book says: The equation is ##x \cos{\omega} +y \sin{\omega} - 5 = 0##, ##\omega## being the parameter. From my side, the only thing I could...
Back
Top