2012 F = MA exam #10 - (Rolling without slipping down a ramp)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves four objects rolling down an inclined plane without slipping, with a focus on how their shapes and densities affect the time taken to reach the bottom. The objects include solid and hollow brass balls of different diameters and a solid aluminum ball.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conversion of potential energy into both linear and rotational kinetic energy, questioning how this affects the time taken to roll down the ramp. There are attempts to derive equations based on energy conservation and the moment of inertia.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between potential energy distribution and the resulting velocities of the objects. There is recognition that the rotational kinetic energy affects the linear speed, leading to varying times for each object. The discussion is exploring different interpretations of the results without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that all objects start from rest and are subject to the same gravitational potential energy, while also considering the effects of mass distribution on rotational inertia.

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Homework Statement



Four objects are placed at rest at the top of an inclined plane and allowed to roll without slipping to the bottom
in the absence of rolling resistance and air resistance.
• Object A is a solid brass ball of diameter d.
• Object B is a solid brass ball of diameter 2d.
• Object C is a hollow brass sphere of diameter d.
• Object D is a solid aluminum ball of diameter d. (Aluminum is less dense than brass.)
The balls are placed so that their centers of mass all travel the same distance. In each case, the time of motion T
is measured. Which of the following statements is correct?

(A) TB > TC > TA = TD
(B) TA = TB = TC > TD
(C) TB > TA = TC = TD
(D) TC > TA = TB = TD← CORRECT
(E) TA = TB = TC = TD

Homework Equations


T = 2pir/ v
K(rotation and translation) = 1/2mv^2 + 1/2Iw^2

The Attempt at a Solution


No idea, for some reason I tried to find the total kinetic energy of each object, didn't really work though.
 
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It's all to with the proportion of PE that goes into rotational KE instead of into linear KE. The higher the proportion, the lower the linear speed, so the longer the time taken. Try to turn that into equations.
 
So what you are saying is that in the beginning of the roll down the ramp, there is X potential energy that is converted to both linear and rotational kinetic energy. The more PE that goes to rotational KE takes away from linear KE and thus reduces linear speed. This means that it will take longer, so T will be higher. I'm not sure how to convert this to equations.
Here's an attempt using Cons. of Energy:
K_0 + U_0 = K + U
0 + mgh = 1/2Iw^2 + 1/2mv^2
I = mR^2 / 2
w = v / R
mgh = 1/4mv^2 + 1/2mv^2
mgh = 3/4 mv^2
gh = 3/4v^2
4/3gh = v^2
- I must be doing it wrong here because my calculations imply that linear velocity is independent of the radii.
Where did I go wrong?
 
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4/3gh = v^2
- I must be doing it wrong here because my calculations imply that linear velocity is independent of the radii.
No, that's the correct result. You assumed I = λmR2 where λ = 1/2. That will lead to a fraction of energy going into linear KE that depends only on λ. Since the total is mgh, and the m's will cancel, you get a linear velocity √(2gh f(λ)).
 
Ahh, I think I understand. So with the result I showed earlier, velocity is independent of entire mass and radius. Therefore, T_A = T_B = T_D. But since ball C will have the most mass concentrated furthest away, it has the highest rotational KE and thus it will have the slowest velocity and the highest period. These two lead us to:
T_C > T_A = T_B = T_D
 
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SignaturePF said:
Ahh, I think I understand. So with the result I showed earlier, velocity is independent of entire mass and radius. Therefore, T_A = T_B = T_D. But since ball C will have the most mass concentrated furthest away, it has the highest rotational KE and thus it will have the slowest velocity and the highest period. These two lead us to:
T_C > T_A = T_B = T_D
Exactly.
 
Thanks, I really appreciate it!
 

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