242.7x.27 Find the slowest growing and the fastest growing functions

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The discussion revolves around identifying the slowest and fastest growing functions among a set of mathematical expressions as \( x \to \infty \). Participants explore the use of limits to compare the growth rates of these functions, including polynomial and exponential forms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests taking limits to determine growth rates of functions such as \( 4x^{10} \), \( e^x \), \( e^{x-4} \), and \( xe^x \).
  • Another participant defines conditions for one function to grow faster or slower than another using limits, referencing L'Hôpital’s Rule for evaluation.
  • There is a question about how to select which functions to compare as \( f(x) \) and \( g(x) \).
  • A participant proposes comparing \( e^x \) and \( e^{x-4} \) and concludes they grow at the same rate based on their limit evaluation.
  • One participant calculates the limit \( \lim_{{x}\to{\infty}}\frac{4x^{10}}{e^x}=0 \) and infers that \( e^x \) grows faster, though they express uncertainty about the evaluation process.
  • Another participant suggests using repeated applications of L'Hôpital's Rule to resolve limits, while also addressing a limit that was previously stated as undefined.
  • A later reply clarifies that the limit \( \lim_{{x}\to{\infty}}\frac{e^{x-4}}{xe^x} \) is actually \( 0 \), explaining the reasoning behind this conclusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confidence in evaluating limits, with some agreeing on the use of L'Hôpital’s Rule while others remain uncertain about specific evaluations. There is no consensus on the overall fastest or slowest growing function, as multiple comparisons and interpretations are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants struggle with the application of L'Hôpital’s Rule and the selection of functions for comparison, indicating potential gaps in understanding the underlying concepts. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of limit evaluations.

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$\tiny{242.7x.27}$
$\textsf{Find the slowest growing and the fastest growing functions
${{x}\to{\infty}}$}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
y&=4x^{10} \\
y&=e^x \\
y&=e^{x-4} \\
y&=xe^x \\
\end{align*}

$\textit{I'm clueless... take the limit??}$
 
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Yes, limits are involved here...

[box=green]Definition: Let $f(x)$ and $g(x)$ be positive for $x$ sufficiently large.
  1. $f(x)$ grows faster than $g(x)$ as $x\to\infty$ if $$\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}=\infty$$
  2. $f(x)$ grows slower than $g(x)$ as $x\to\infty$ if $$\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}=0$$
  3. $f(x)$ and $g(x)$ grow at the same rate as $x\to\infty$ if $$\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}=L\ne0$$
    where $L$ is some finite number.​
[/box]

In order to compute the limits involved we often use L'Hôpital’s Rule. :D
 
well that was very helpfull
but what determines what is f(x) and g(x)
what will these functions be compared to?
 
karush said:
well that was very helpfull
but what determines what is f(x) and g(x)
what will these functions be compared to?

You determine which are to be $f$ and $g$...for example, if we compare the 2nd and 3rd options we could let:

$$f(x)=e^x$$

$$g(x)=e^{x-4}$$

And we find:

$$\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}=\frac{e^x}{e^{x-4}}=e^4$$

Hence:

$$\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}=e^4$$

So, we conclude that $f$ and $g$ grow at the same rate as $x\to\infty$. We would come to the same conclusion if we reversed the definitions of $f$ and $g$, as we would for functions who don't grow at the same rate as well. :D
 
$\displaystyle
\lim_{{x}\to{\infty}}\frac{4x^{10}}{e^x}=0$
so this means $e^{x}$ is faster i presume..
however this is a calculator answer i wouldn't know how to evaluate it

also
$\displaystyle
\lim_{{x}\to{\infty}}\frac{e^{x-4}}{xe^x}=\textit{undef}$

so then ?
 
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karush said:
$\displaystyle
\lim_{{x}\to{\infty}}\frac{4x^{10}}{e^x}=0$
so this means $e^{x}$ is faster i presume..
however this is a calculator answer i wouldn't know how to evaluate it

Try repeated applications of L'Hopital's rule, until the $x$ in the numerator vanishes.

karush said:
also
$\displaystyle
\lim_{{x}\to{\infty}}\frac{e^{x-4}}{xe^x}=\textit{undef}$

so then ?

This limit is actually $0$.
 
karush said:
$\displaystyle
\lim_{{x}\to{\infty}}\frac{4x^{10}}{e^x}=0$
so this means $e^{x}$ is faster i presume..
however this is a calculator answer i wouldn't know how to evaluate it

also
$\displaystyle \lim_{{x}\to{\infty}}\frac{e^{x-4}}{xe^x}=\textit{undef}$

so then ?

[math]\frac{e^{x-4}}{xe^x}= \frac{e^xe^{-4}}{xe^x}= \frac{e^{-4}}{x}[/math]

That is a constant over x so, as x goes to infinity, the numerator stays constant while the denominator increases without bound, so the limit is 0.
 

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