24V to 5V Power Supply Solution for AVR & Other Stuff

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a suitable method to convert a 24V lead acid battery supply to a stable 5V output for powering an AVR and other devices. Participants explore various voltage regulation options, including linear regulators and switch-mode power supplies, while considering factors such as power dissipation, cost, and space constraints.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about using a 7805 linear regulator due to high power dissipation (5.7W) when stepping down from 24V to 5V at a load of 300mA.
  • Another participant suggests using a switch-mode power supply as an alternative but notes potential issues with cost and space.
  • A suggestion is made to consider a power resistor and a 1W zener diode as a possible solution instead of the 7805.
  • Links to commercial 7805 drop-in replacements are provided, highlighting their potential effectiveness despite higher costs.
  • One participant proposes using a 7805 with a 47Ω, 10W resistor to drop the voltage to about 10V before the regulator, calculating the power dissipation in both components.
  • A brief mention of a buck converter is made as another potential solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to take. Multiple competing views on voltage regulation methods remain, with various suggestions and concerns expressed.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of linear regulators in terms of heat dissipation and load regulation, as well as the potential complexity and cost of switch-mode power supplies. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the best solution given the specific requirements of the application.

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I have a 24 V lead acid battery that I am going to use for a power supply. I need to get 5 volts so that I can power an AVR some other stuff. I was originally intending to use a 7805 to get 5 volts, but I am concerned that this may be too much power dissipated.

I think I need about 200-300 mA and I am I not mistaken that is 19V * 300mA = 5.7 W which is awfully high. However, we do essentially have a very large heatsink that we can use because this will be attached to a large metal frame, but I think that may still be too much...

It was suggested to me to use a switch mode power supply, but unfortunately, I think be both too costly as well as taking up too much space.
Would a power resistor and a 1 W zener diode be a better choice than the 7805?

Does anyone have any suggestions for what I can use to get a steady 5 volts? ( I cannot compromise on the 24 V source)
 
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roeb said:
I have a 24 V lead acid battery that I am going to use for a power supply. I need to get 5 volts so that I can power an AVR some other stuff. I was originally intending to use a 7805 to get 5 volts, but I am concerned that this may be too much power dissipated.

I think I need about 200-300 mA and I am I not mistaken that is 19V * 300mA = 5.7 W which is awfully high. However, we do essentially have a very large heatsink that we can use because this will be attached to a large metal frame, but I think that may still be too much...

It was suggested to me to use a switch mode power supply, but unfortunately, I think be both too costly as well as taking up too much space.
Would a power resistor and a 1 W zener diode be a better choice than the 7805?

Does anyone have any suggestions for what I can use to get a steady 5 volts? ( I cannot compromise on the 24 V source)

These guys have some "all-in-one" 7805 drop-in replacements:
http://www.hvwtech.com/products_list.asp?CatID=163&SubCatID=276

They're pricey, but they would probably work if you didn't want to design your own switcher. You might also want to find the company that actually makes those instead of ordering from Canada. Most of the switch-mode ICs are quite well-documented with reference circuits, pertinent calculations and even part recommendations (take a look at Digikey for some buck voltage conversion ICs by Intersil or TI).

You *could* use the power resistor (properly spec'd and heat sinked) but you won't have great load regulation. But then again, that might be enough.
 
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MATLABdude and mgb_phys made some good suggestions. I'll just mention another option. Use a 7805 with a 47Ω, 10W resistor between the 24V supply and 7805 input. At 300 mA this will drop the voltage to about 10V at the regulator. Power dissipated will be 5W in the resistor and 1.5W in the regulator.
 
Buck converter?
 

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