2nd derivative test-critical points calc 3

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The problem involves finding and classifying critical points for the function r=(1-x)(1+x), which is expressed in terms of one variable. Participants are exploring the application of the second derivative test and discussing the nature of the function.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants attempt to apply the second derivative test, noting the function's characteristics and critical points. Others question the appropriateness of the test for a single-variable function and discuss the implications of the function's decreasing nature.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the function's behavior and questioning the application of certain tests. There is recognition of the function's maximum and the role of the vertex in determining critical points, though no consensus has been reached on the application of the second derivative test.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the function is a quadratic and discuss its properties, including its maximum point and the implications of its decreasing and increasing intervals. There is also mention of difficulties in applying the second derivative test due to the function being in one variable.

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Homework Statement



r=(1-x)(1+x) Find and classify all of the critical points

Homework Equations



D=fxx-fyy-(fxfy)^2 (can't read my notes to well or find it on the internet)

The Attempt at a Solution



r=-x^+1
f'= -2X
f"=-2

Because -2<0 There is a maximum(1), I don't know the full argument for this. There is also no y so I feel I am at a dead end.

Can the d-test be applied to this equation?
 
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It's D=fxx(fyy)-(fxfy)^2

If d > 0,
and fxx > 0, it's a local minimum or
fxx < 0, it's a local maximum

if d < 0,
then it's a saddle point.

However, you can't use this for this function as it's a function in terms of one variable.

So,
r=(1-x)(1+x)
= 1 - x^2

Which is a decreasing function. It should be simple to get the result just by looking, but take the derivative, set it equal to zero and figure out the critical point. The function is decreasing, so whether it's a maximum or minimum should be obvious.
 
Unemployed said:

Homework Statement



r=(1-x)(1+x) Find and classify all of the critical points

Homework Equations



D=fxx-fyy-(fxfy)^2 (can't read my notes to well or find it on the internet)
This is a function of one variable, not two. The "second derivative test", for functions of one variable, says that at a critical point, x0, (f'(x0)= 0), if f''(x0)< 0, it is a maximum, if f''(x0)> 0, it is a minimum, if f''(x0)= 0, it is neither.

The Attempt at a Solution



r=-x^+1
f'= -2X
f"=-2

Because -2<0 There is a maximum(1), I don't know the full argument for this. There is also no y so I feel I am at a dead end.

Can the d-test be applied to this equation?
 
Chantry said:
It's D=fxx(fyy)-(fxfy)^2

If d > 0,
and fxx > 0, it's a local minimum or
fxx < 0, it's a local maximum

if d < 0,
then it's a saddle point.

However, you can't use this for this function as it's a function in terms of one variable.

So,
r=(1-x)(1+x)
= 1 - x^2

Which is a decreasing function.
Surely, you didn't mean to say this. This is parabola that opens downward. It is decreasing for x> 1 and increasing for x< 1. And, because it is a quadratic, you can find its maximum by finding its vertex (trivial in this case). Which, of course, is what you mean by saying
It should be simple to get the result just by looking

but take the derivative, set it equal to zero and figure out the critical point. The function is decreasing, so whether it's a maximum or minimum should be obvious.
 
Thank you.
 

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