Pretty easy relative max problem calc 3

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The problem involves locating relative maxima, minima, and saddle points for the function f(x,y) = x² + xy + y² - 3x. Participants are working through the critical points and the second derivative test.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss finding critical points and applying the second derivative test. There is confusion regarding the calculation of the mixed second derivative and its role in determining the nature of the critical points.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the correct formula for the determinant used in the second derivative test. There is ongoing clarification about the mixed second derivative and its calculation.

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Participants express uncertainty about specific calculations and the definitions of derivatives involved in the problem. There is mention of a discrepancy in expected values during the evaluation of the function at critical points.

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Homework Statement



Locate all relative max,min,and saddle points if any.

f(x,y)=x2+xy+y2-3x

fx=2x+y-3

fy=x+2y

Skipping some algebra I get the critical points (2,-1)

fxx=2
fyy=2

d=fxx*fyy-f(x0,y0)2

d=4-9=-5

I know I'm messing up at f(x0,y0)

I'm simply plugging in my c.p points (2,-1) into

f(x,y)=x2+xy+y2-3x

but seem to keep getting -3

While the value 1 is suppose to come out

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Mdhiggenz said:

Homework Statement



Locate all relative max,min,and saddle points if any.

f(x,y)=x2+xy+y2-3x

fx=2x+y-3

fy=x+2y

Skipping some algebra I get the critical points (2,-1)

fxx=2
fyy=2

d=fxx*fyy-f(x0,y0)2

d=4-9=-5

I know I'm messing up at f(x0,y0)

I'm simply plugging in my c.p points (2,-1) into

f(x,y)=x2+xy+y2-3x

but seem to keep getting -3

While the value 1 is suppose to come out

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


It looks like you have your formula for d wrong. It's supposed to be d=fxx*fyy-(fxy)^2. fxy is the mixed second derivative.
 
I'm a bit confused what do you mean mixed second derivative?
 
Mdhiggenz said:
I'm a bit confused what do you mean mixed second derivative?

First take the derivative of f with respect to x to get fx. Then take the derivative of fx with respect of y to get fxy. That's the mixed second derivative. Or you can do it in the other order and get fyx. They should be the same.
 
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Got it, thanks Dick.
 

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