Hi,
This question on PD control is from a practice quiz.
1. Homework Statement
If you can't see it the question asks to find values for Kp and Kd such that the system achieves 5% OS and has a settling time Ts of 3s.
Cs = 3
Cd = 2
m = 5
2. Homework Equations
ω_n^2/(s^2 + 2ζw_n + ω_n^2)  2nd order form
Overall Transfer Function I found:
Y/R = CG/1+CG = [ (Kp + Kds)/m ] / [ s^2 + ((Cd + Kd)/m) + ((Cs + Kp)/m)]
Ts = 4/σ (2% of final value); where σ = ζω_n
3. The Attempt at a Solution
From the transfer function I found above i noticed that it is not exactly in the 2nd order form. However I was told that we still set
ω_n = SQRT[ ((Cs + Kp)/m) ] {1}
because when we add a derivative controller it only adds a zero which effects the numerator, not the poles on the denominator.
firstly we know for 5%OS → ζ≈0.7
from Ts = 3 = 4/ζω_n
→ ω_n = 4/3ζ = 40/21
from eqn {1}  solving for Kp
Kp = (ω_n^2)m  Cs = (5)(40/21)^2  3 = 15.14
At this point I stopped because their answers were Kp = 17.93 and Kd = 12.12.
Could you explain if the process i used is incorrect because I cant understand what I am doing wrong.
Thank you
(btw I just joined Physics Forums like an hour ago)
This question on PD control is from a practice quiz.
1. Homework Statement
If you can't see it the question asks to find values for Kp and Kd such that the system achieves 5% OS and has a settling time Ts of 3s.
Cs = 3
Cd = 2
m = 5
2. Homework Equations
ω_n^2/(s^2 + 2ζw_n + ω_n^2)  2nd order form
Overall Transfer Function I found:
Y/R = CG/1+CG = [ (Kp + Kds)/m ] / [ s^2 + ((Cd + Kd)/m) + ((Cs + Kp)/m)]
Ts = 4/σ (2% of final value); where σ = ζω_n
3. The Attempt at a Solution
From the transfer function I found above i noticed that it is not exactly in the 2nd order form. However I was told that we still set
ω_n = SQRT[ ((Cs + Kp)/m) ] {1}
because when we add a derivative controller it only adds a zero which effects the numerator, not the poles on the denominator.
firstly we know for 5%OS → ζ≈0.7
from Ts = 3 = 4/ζω_n
→ ω_n = 4/3ζ = 40/21
from eqn {1}  solving for Kp
Kp = (ω_n^2)m  Cs = (5)(40/21)^2  3 = 15.14
At this point I stopped because their answers were Kp = 17.93 and Kd = 12.12.
Could you explain if the process i used is incorrect because I cant understand what I am doing wrong.
Thank you
(btw I just joined Physics Forums like an hour ago)
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