555 Timer RC Charging Capacitor Conundrum

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the power consumption of the external RC circuitry in a 555 timer circuit during one cycle, particularly focusing on the charging behavior of the capacitor and its relationship to current and voltage. Participants explore mathematical approaches to determine average current readings and the implications of duty cycle on power dissipation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to find an average current reading between 1/3Vcc and 2/3Vcc using a specific exponential equation related to the capacitor's charging behavior.
  • Another participant presents a formula for power in terms of frequency, capacitance, and change in voltage squared, prompting questions about its correctness and relation to duty cycle.
  • A later reply clarifies that the power dissipated in charging and discharging the capacitor is independent of the duty cycle.
  • Participants discuss constructing a piecewise continuous function to derive current over time based on voltage equations.
  • One participant suggests using average current calculations based on capacitance and voltage change over time.
  • Another participant points to an external resource for reviewing the astable NE555 circuit, highlighting the relationship between resistance values, duty cycle, and average current.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of power calculations and their relationship to duty cycle, with no consensus reached on the best approach to evaluate average current or power in the circuit.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of variables and the specific conditions under which the discussed equations apply. The relationship between resistance values and average current is noted but not fully explored.

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Hello. I am currently trying to evaluate just how much power the external RC circuitry of a 555 timer uses over 1 cycle. Whilst the capacitor is charging the current falls exponentially. Naturally the voltage also falls through the resistors but this is couteracted by the rise in voltage of the capacitor as it charges. Basically what I am trying to find out is whether there is a way to get an average current reading between 1/3Vcc and 2/3Vcc using the equation
(4.5/101000 ⋅ e^(- x/0.4747)

(4.5 = Vcc)
(101000 is the total resistance in Ohms)
(0.4747 is the RC time constant)

Would the median value suffice?
 
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P=fC \Delta V^2
 
I don't mean to sound dense or anything but I've never tried this stuff before. The way I read your answer is:

Power = Frequency x Capacitance x Change in Voltage Squared

Is this right? And if so how does this tie in the the duty cycle?
 
LTSpice (and probably other simulation programs) have the NE555 in its library. Try it.
 
MathsDude69 said:
I don't mean to sound dense or anything but I've never tried this stuff before. The way I read your answer is:

Power = Frequency x Capacitance x Change in Voltage Squared

Is this right? And if so how does this tie in the the duty cycle?

Right. The power dissipated in charging and discharging the capacitor is independent of the duty cycle.

The current, at any time t, is obtained from constructing a piecewise continuous function from

v(t) = v_i \left( 1 - exp(-t/RC) \right)
and
v(t) = v_f \left( exp(-t/RC) \right)
where
i(t) = C \frac{dv}{dt} .

You might be better off using the average,

\overline{I} = C \frac{\Delta V}{\Delta T} .
 
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It is useful to review the astable NE555 circuit at http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/NE555-Calculator.phtml
Scroll down to circuit model at bottom of page.The capacitor charges through the series resistance RA plus RB, but the charging time fraction (duty cycle) of charging time depends on the ratio (RA + RB)/(RA + 2 RB), so the average current depends on the ratio of RA/RB). Furthermore, although the frequency remains constant for given values of RA, RB, ad C, the average current increases linearly with the applied voltage VP.
 

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