A Charged Particle in a Uniform Electric Field

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The discussion revolves around the motion of a charged particle, specifically an electron, in a uniform electric field. Participants explore the implications of classical mechanics and electromagnetic radiation on the particle's motion, examining both theoretical frameworks and mathematical formulations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the motion of a charged particle in an electric field can be described by Newton's second law, suggesting that the particle experiences constant acceleration.
  • Another participant argues that the radiation emitted by an accelerated charge is negligible under typical conditions, asserting that the power radiated is significantly lower than the power supplied by the electric field.
  • A participant shares their attempt to solve a differential equation related to the motion of the particle, indicating difficulties in extracting velocity as a function of time.
  • Further contributions include a reformulation of the differential equation, suggesting a Taylor expansion approach to approximate the motion and highlighting the need for relativistic considerations in the analysis.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between the radiated power and the energy supplied by the electric field, with some participants providing mathematical expressions to illustrate their points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of radiation losses in the motion of the charged particle, with some asserting that it can be neglected while others suggest it must be considered. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to accurately describe the motion of the particle under the influence of the electric field.

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The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the applicability of classical mechanics versus relativistic effects. There are indications that the approximations used may not fully account for the complexities introduced by radiation and relativistic speeds.

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Hi.
I'm curious, how would a charged particle, let's say an electron, move in a simple uniform electric field?
My first guess would be that it would follow Newton's second law of motion and move with a constant acceleration:
[tex]$ \dot{x}=\frac{Eq}{m} $[/tex]
where E is the fields intensity, q the charge, and m it's mass.
However, an accelerated charge should generate electromagnetic waves.
These have energy and so the motion wouldn't accelerate as fast.
I found that the energy radiated by these should be equal to:
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(Larmor formula) for norelativistic speeds.

So I would assume that the work done by the electric field on the charge in a fraction of time:
[tex]$ P_{el} = q\cdot E \cdot \dot{x} $[/tex]
would be used to a) increase the kinetic energy of the particle b) used for the radiation energy:
[tex]\[P_{el}=\frac{d}{dt}(\frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^2) + P_{rad}\][/tex]

That leads to the differential equation:
[tex]$ A \cdot \dot{x} = m \cdot \dot{x} \cdot \ddot{x} + B \cdot \ddot{x}^2 $[/tex]
where
[tex]$ A=Eq ; B=\frac{{q^2}}{{6\cdot\pi\eps_0\ c^3}} $[/tex]
(just to make it look simpler).

I have now idea how to solve this.
Do you think my reasoning is right? If so, can anybody find a solution?
How is the motion of a charged particle in a uniform electric field truly described?

I'd think this is quite a simple question, but I couldn't find any simple answer to it on the Internet.
I appreciate any help.
 
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It's negligible. The radiated power for linear acceleration, for relativistic effects accounted for, is
[tex]P = \frac{2}{3}\frac{e^2}{m^2c^3}\left( \frac{dp}{dt} \right)^2[/tex]
Now, instead of substituting -qE as our force here, we will note that the rate of change in the momentum is also equal to the change in energy of the particle per unit distance. This obvious from the fact that work is the integral of F*dx. Thus,
[tex]P = \frac{2}{3}\frac{e^2}{m^2c^3} \left( \frac{dE}{dx} \right)^2[/tex]
This allows us to express the power radiated as a function of the external forces that are applied as opposed to the properties of the particle. Now, the ratio of the power radiated to the power supplied by the external source is
[tex]\frac{P}{(dE/dt)} = \frac{2}{3}\frac{e^2}{m^2c^3} \frac{1}{v} \frac{dE}{dx}[/tex]
Where we have made use of the chain rule. In the limit of a relativistic speed,
[tex]\lim_{v\rightarrow c} \frac{P}{(dE/dt)} = \frac{2}{3}\frac{(e^2/mc^2)}{mc^2}\frac{dE}{dx}[/tex]

Thus, the radiation loss is negligible unless the gain in energy is of the order of mc^2 over a distance of e^2/mc^2. In other words, a change in energy on the order of 2e14 MeV/m. Jackson states that typical gains are around 50 MeV/m or less. Obviously, we need an electric field of an inconceivable size.

So, in short, the answer to your question is that we simply use
[tex]ma = -eE[/tex]
because we do not work with electric fields strong enough to bleed enough energy off of the electron as it is linearly accelerated to make a difference.
 
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I attempted a solution to the differential equation I proposed
and I got ended up with
this
http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp?expr=2/(-x-Sqrt[x^2%2B4B%2Fx*A]%29&random=false
or
http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp?expr=2/(-x+Sqrt[x^2%2B4B%2Fx*A]%29&random=false
for t, where x actually stands for v=dx/dt.
Ie. no hope of extracting v as v=f(t) so basically a dead end.

So this this is a really nice solution you gave me - when you can't deal with something, just show it's not worth dealing with. :-)
Thanks a lot.
 
ThorX89 said:
I attempted a solution to the differential equation I proposed
and I got ended up with
this
http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp?expr=2/(-x-Sqrt[x^2%2B4B%2Fx*A]%29&random=false
or
http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp?expr=2/(-x+Sqrt[x^2%2B4B%2Fx*A]%29&random=false
for t, where x actually stands for v=dx/dt.
Ie. no hope of extracting v as v=f(t) so basically a dead end.

So this this is a really nice solution you gave me - when you can't deal with something, just show it's not worth dealing with. :-)
Thanks a lot.

Here's a better way you can get to in by two different paths. The differential equation that we have, I have changed to a positron so that all the distances and accelerations should be positive with respect to E, is

[tex]m\dot{x}\ddot{x} = eE\dot{x}-\frac{2e^2}{3c^3}\ddot{x}^2[/tex]

Solving for the acceleration we get

[tex]\ddot{x} = \frac{3mc^3\dot{x}}{4e^2} \left[ -1+ m\dot{x} \sqrt{ 1 + \frac{8e^3E}{3m^2c^3\dot{x}}} \right][/tex]

Now we take the Taylor's expansion of the square root and get

[tex]\ddot{x} \approx \frac{eE}{m} - \frac{2e^4E^2}{3m^3c^3\dot{x}}[/tex]

In other words,

[tex]m\dot{x}\ddot{x} \approx eE\dot{x} - \frac{2e^4E^2}{3m^2c^3}[/tex]

But this is the same thing as if we did a first order approximation and used eE as the force in the radiated power formula and placed it into the original differential equation. Either way, we come to the same first order approximation. The kinetic energy is thus

[tex]\frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^2 \approx eEx - \frac{2e^4E^2}{3m^2c^3} t[/tex]

So here is a better starting point to work with. As for solving this, hmmm...

EDIT: Now that I think about it, I don't think the above will work. Because of the small amount of power that is radiated, we would have to use equations that follow special relativity, but currently the above equations of motion allow for unbounded velocities. Oh well, we have at least proven what the first order approximation is and that is derived from a formula that works for relativistic particles. So this approximation should be valid to be substituted into a set of equations of motion that do follow special relativity.
 
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