A connected ordered set in the order topology

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The discussion revolves around the properties of connected ordered sets in the context of the order topology. The original poster attempts to demonstrate that if an ordered set X is connected, then it must be a linear continuum, exploring definitions and properties related to both concepts.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of X being connected and the requirements for it to be a linear continuum. The original poster outlines several properties and attempts to establish a connection between them. Others suggest considering the contrapositive approach to explore the relationship between connectedness and the properties of linear continua.

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There are multiple lines of reasoning being explored, with some participants questioning the validity of certain assumptions and the clarity of the arguments presented. The discussion is ongoing, with attempts to clarify definitions and properties without reaching a consensus.

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Participants note the challenges of working with the concept of connectedness, particularly in relation to the least upper bound property and the existence of elements between any two points in the set. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in proving or disproving the properties of the set X.

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This seems very simple, that's why I want to check it.

Let X be an ordered set in the order topology. If X is connected, then X is a linear continuum.

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An ordered set is a set with an order relation "<" which is antireflexive, transitive, and satisfies, for any x, y, either x < y or x > y.

First of all, X cannot be finite. Since if it were, we could find two nonempty, disjoint open intervals whose union would equal X. So, X is infinite.

A linear continuum is a set with more than one element, with the least upper bound property, and the property that for any x, y in it, there is an element z such that x < z < y.

Clearly, an infinite set has more than one element.

Let x, y be two elements of X. If there were no element between x and y, X would be disconnected. So, there must be some element z such that x < z < y.

Let A be a non empty subset of X which is bounded above, i.e. for all x in A, x < M. If there were no elements of X between x and M, X would be disconnected. So, there exists some element x1 such that x < x1 < M. The same holds for x1 and M. Hence, for any neighbourhood of M (i.e. an open interval containing M), there exists some xn which is contained in the interval, which shows that M is the least upper bound for A.

Hence, X is a linear continuum.
 
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radou said:
Let A be a non empty subset of X which is bounded above, i.e. for all x in A, x < M. If there were no elements of X between x and M, X would be disconnected. So, there exists some element x1 such that x < x1 < M. The same holds for x1 and M. Hence, for any neighbourhood of M (i.e. an open interval containing M), there exists some xn which is contained in the interval, which shows that M is the least upper bound for A.

M is just an arbitrary upper bound. The probability that it's the least upper bound is approximately zero. In particular the part where you started talking about neighborhoods of M is where you went off track.

This is probably best approached by contrapositive: If X is not a linear continuum, show X is disconnected. A general rule of thumb is that the property of being connected is hard to work with (because it's a statement about non-existence), whereas "not connected" is a lot easier
 
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OK, here's another atempt.

So, the contrapositive statement is: "If X is not a linear continuum, then X is disconnected."

X is not a linear continuum if it does not satisfy at least one of these:

i) X has more than one element
ii) X has the least upper bound property
iii) for any x, y in X there exists some z between x and y

i) trivial, since a set with only one element can't possibly connected
iii) assume this doesn't hold. then there exist x, y such that there is no z between them. then <-∞, x> U <y, +∞> disconnects X.
ii) I'm not sure about this one.

Let A be a nonempty subset of X, and let M be its upper bound, so that x <= M, for all x in A. x cannot possibly equal M, for any x in A, since then it couldn't not satisfy the least upper bound property, since then for this very x there would be some upper bound M1 such that M1 < M and M1 < x. So, x < M, for all x in A.

Let's see what A looks like. It is an interval, either of the form <-∞, d> or <e, f>, or some union of such intervals. Does A U X\A disconnect X? Well, A is nonempty, open, X\A is nonempty too, since it contains the upper bounds for A. Can X\A be written (assume now that A = <-∞, f> for simplicity, the other cases are quite obvious too) as <f, +∞>? I claim that f is no upper bound for A. Since if it were, f1, would be too, and then A would be equal <-∞, f1>, which it isn't, specially because iii) holds. Does this work?
 
Any thoughts?
 

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