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The discussion centers around skepticism regarding the justification for the Iraq War, particularly questioning the integrity of the evidence presented by officials, such as Colin Powell's UN presentation and the aluminum tubes documents, which are viewed as misleading or forged. There is speculation that the war may have been orchestrated to create a scenario where the U.S. would "break it and own it," leading to long-term financial burdens. The conversation also touches on the potential motivations behind the dissemination of false information, suggesting a market for sensationalized narratives in media and intelligence. However, counterarguments emphasize that while there were flaws in the evidence, it is implausible that the entire war was planned solely for financial gain. The discussion acknowledges the significant costs of the war, both economically and in human lives, and stresses the importance of critically evaluating information while grounding beliefs in solid evidence rather than speculation.
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Something occurred to me tonight as I watched the latest on the Iraq situation. I am just passing this on as some wild speculation that seems to make a bit of sense.

Going into the war, I was extremely concerned that we had been duped. To me, Powell's presentation to the UN had all the earmarks of being based on shoddy or even misleading evidence. Also, consider the now infamous aluminum tubes documents. What a fiasco! What an embarrassment. But was this an accident? No, the documents were forged. I kept wondering why? I wondered, if any of the other circumstantial evidence was bogus, which now we know much it was, why fake it?

Somehow, somebody eventually had to do something about Saddam. Might we have been tricked so that we would break it and then own it - the pottery rule? Thanks to our recent approach to international diplomacy, or the lack of it, we are going to be stuck with this financial black hole for a very long time.

One thing is for sure: Bush did the charging, and now we are going to pay and pay and pay. Could this be exactly what was intended? Our actions benefit our enemies and half of the Middle East, and therefore lots of other folks, mostly at our expense.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
Going into the war, I was extremely concerned that we had been duped. To me, Powell's presentation to the UN had all the earmarks of being based on shoddy or even misleading evidence. Also, consider the now infamous aluminum tubes documents. What a fiasco! What an embarrassment. But was this an accident? No, the documents were forged. I kept wondering why? I wondered, if any of the other circumstantial evidence was bogus, which now we know much it was, why fake it?
Why? Because there is a market for it, newspapers and intelligence services are willing to pay for whatever their readers/political masters are willing to hear? In the same fashion, a number of papers, not all, used forged papers alleging British MP George Galloway received oil money from Saddam, and it wouldn't surprise me it the papers about the UN food for oil scandal are fakes too.
 



While this conspiracy theory may seem plausible on the surface, there are several flaws in this line of thinking. First, it assumes that the entire war in Iraq was planned and executed solely for financial gain. While there may have been economic motives at play, there were also political and ideological reasons for the invasion.

Furthermore, it is a stretch to suggest that the entire evidence presented to justify the war was intentionally fabricated. While there were certainly flaws and misrepresentations, it is unlikely that they were deliberately created with the intention of duping the American public.

Additionally, this theory ignores the fact that the war in Iraq has had significant consequences and costs for the United States, both financially and in terms of human lives. It is unlikely that anyone would intentionally create such a costly and controversial situation for their own benefit.

In the end, it is important to critically examine and question all information presented to us, but it is also important to base our beliefs and theories on solid evidence rather than wild speculation.
 
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