A differentiable function whose derivative is not integrable

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The discussion revolves around the existence of a differentiable function whose derivative is not integrable. Participants explore various examples and properties of functions, particularly focusing on the behavior of derivatives and integrability.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants consider pathological functions and the implications of differentiability on integrability. There are discussions about functions that oscillate rapidly and whether such functions can remain differentiable while having non-integrable derivatives.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered examples and counterexamples, with some suggesting that certain oscillating functions could serve as candidates for the discussion. The conversation is ongoing, with no explicit consensus reached on the existence of such a function.

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Participants are examining specific functions and their properties, questioning the assumptions about differentiability and integrability. There is mention of boundedness and continuity in relation to integrability, particularly around the point of oscillation.

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Homework Statement



Suppose g is a differentiable on [a,b] and f = g', then does there exist a function f which is not integrable?


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I've tried to look at pathological functions such as irrational, rational piecewise functions. but the g would not be differentiable. Moreover, it seems intuitive that the derivative of a function is integrable. Please help.
 
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How about a function that oscillates REALLY FAST as it approaches an endpoint but does it in such a way as to remain differentiable?
 
Dick said:
How about a function that oscillates REALLY FAST as it approaches an endpoint but does it in such a way as to remain differentiable?

Can such a function exist and be differentiable at the endpoint? :eek:
 
f(x)=x^2*sin(1/x^3) for x in (0,1], f(0)=0? What's wrong with that?
 
Thanks for the advice Dick. I thought of a function g(x) = x^2sin (1/x) at x not equals to 0 and g(x) = 0 when x = 0

Such a function is differentiable and g'(x) = f(x) = 2x sin (1/x) - cos (1/x) when x not equal 0 and 0 when x = 0

Yet, can't we say that such a function f is integrable on [-1,1]? since it is continuous at all points except at 0 and it is bounded on [-1,1] since both sin and cos functions are bounded. Thus, can't we choose a partition such that U(f,P)-L(f,P) < epsilon for any epsilon > 0?
 
Yes. I think so. If you look at my response to quasar987, that's why I picked one that oscillates even faster and is obviously unbounded and not integrable. I can make it oscillate even faster if you want.
 

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