A good book on General/Special Relativity.

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The discussion centers on recommendations for books on General and Special Relativity, focusing on finding texts that balance mathematical rigor with accessibility. Participants express their preferences and experiences with various titles, aiming to identify suitable resources for readers with a moderate understanding of mathematics and physics.

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  • One participant seeks a book on General/Special Relativity that is neither too basic nor a formal textbook, having already read popular works by Hawking and Thorne.
  • Another participant suggests that finding a book with math that isn't a textbook may be challenging and inquires about the original poster's background in math and physics.
  • Several participants recommend "Spacetime Physics" by Taylor and Wheeler for Special Relativity, noting its informal style and coverage of standard paradoxes.
  • Additional recommendations include "A Traveler's Guide to Spacetime" and "Einstein's Special Relativity: Discover for Yourself" for easier introductions to Special Relativity.
  • One participant mentions that after "Spacetime Physics," readers might consider Schutz's book for a light introduction to General Relativity.
  • A later reply emphasizes the value of a specific post for understanding Special Relativity and suggests Dirac's book for a deeper dive into General Relativity, despite its challenging writing style.
  • Another participant suggests "The Mathematics of Relativity for the Rest of Us" by Louis Jagerman as a clear, accessible option that requires some calculus but is not overly simplistic.

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Participants generally agree on the difficulty of finding suitable books that meet the specified criteria, with multiple competing recommendations presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which book is definitively the best choice for the original poster's needs.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the level of physics knowledge assumed by various recommended texts, indicating that individual experiences may vary based on prior education and self-study.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals seeking accessible yet mathematically informed resources on General and Special Relativity, particularly those with a background in calculus and some physics knowledge.

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(I'll prefix by apologizing if this is the wrong section to post in)

I am wondering if anyone knows a good book on the topic of General/Special Relativity. I have tried searching for one but all the ones I have found are either too basic with no math (or I guess physics) at all, or literal textbooks.

I have already read A Brief History of Time (S. Hawking) and Black Holes and Time Warps (K. Thorne) and neither really gave me the level of depth I was hoping for.

I am comfortable with equations and the math behind it but not quite to the level where I can just learn from a textbook.

Thank you.
 
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If you want something that has math but isn't a textbook, I think you're probably out of luck.

What level of math and physics preparation have you had? Have you had calculus? Have you had a freshman physics sequence?
 
For special relativity I'd suggest "Spacetime Physics" by Taylor and Wheeler. It's organized like a textbook but has an easy informal style, and fully covers all the standard paradoxes.
 
Bill_K said:
For special relativity I'd suggest "Spacetime Physics" by Taylor and Wheeler. It's organized like a textbook but has an easy informal style, and fully covers all the standard paradoxes.
Daverz said:
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With problems and full solutions (specifically the edition above).

I used the above book to teach myself special relativity. If you want a somewhat easier special relativity book, I recommend the beautiful A Traveler's Guide to Spacetime: An Introduction to Special Theory of Relativity. Easier again is Einstein's Special Relativity: Discover for Yourself by Ernie McFarland.
 
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bcrowell said:
If you want something that has math but isn't a textbook, I think you're probably out of luck.

What level of math and physics preparation have you had? Have you had calculus? Have you had a freshman physics sequence?

I have done Math up to and through Calculus but have taken no more than high-school level physics, though I have independently taught myself much more than I learned in school.


For all others, thanks for your suggestions. I am definitely going to be pursuing them.
 
Here's where I recommend you start:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=3380917&postcount=12

It gives a valuable perspective for special relativity that I don't think any other sources provide. It doesn't get far at all into general relativity, but what it DOES say about GR is also valuable.

After you've really absorbed everything in the above book, then I think Taylor & Wheeler is the next place where you should spend a lot of time (for special relativity). For GR, the book I learned the most from is Dirac's tiny little book ... it took me almost a year to cover (in great depth) its 69 pages. (Not everyone likes Dirac's writing style, but I think he's hands-down the best technical writer who ever lived, bar none).

Mike Fontenot
 
Vorde said:
I have done Math up to and through Calculus but have taken no more than high-school level physics, though I have independently taught myself much more than I learned in school.

At that level, Spacetime Physics and Exploring Black Holes are both good choices. Spacetime Physics may assume more physics than you know; if you find it heavy going, you might want to start with Takeuchi, An Illustrated Guide to Relativity, and/or Mermin, It's About Time: Understanding Einstein's Relativity.
 
There is one book that I am sure will fill your needs: The Mathematics of Relativity for the Rest of Us - Louis Jagerman, MD...yes MD, not PhD. Very clear, only requires, maybe some calculus. Its basically a layman's book for people that know Calc. So its not basic and it isn't a formal textbook.
 

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