A linear equation in 3 variables

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The discussion revolves around finding a linear equation in three variables that is satisfied by the ordered triples (1,1,1), (0,2,0), and (1,0,0). Participants explore different methods to derive the equation, referencing the standard form ax + by + cz = d and discussing the implications of having multiple solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the equation can be expressed in the form 2x + y - z = 2, which satisfies all three points.
  • Others argue that there is no unique solution for the coefficients a, b, and c, as they can be scaled, leading to multiple valid equations representing the same plane.
  • A later reply discusses deriving the equation by expressing the relationships between a, b, c, and d based on the given points, leading to the conclusion that b = -c.
  • Another participant describes a method involving vectors in the plane and their cross product to find the normal vector, which leads to the same equation 2x + y - z = d, confirming d as 2 through substitution of one of the points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the form of the equation 2x + y - z = 2, but there is disagreement regarding the uniqueness of the solution and the method of deriving it. Multiple competing views on the approach and interpretation of the problem remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the equation can be scaled and that the relationships between the coefficients depend on the specific values chosen for a, b, and c, which introduces ambiguity in the solution process.

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write a linear equation in 3 variables that is satisfied by all 3 of the given ordered triples

$(1,1,1), (0,2,0), (1,0,0)$

the examples in book are all on the $ax+by+cz=d$ equation but with just ordered triples there is no $d$ or can it be found from them... otherwise I would solve this by simultaneously.

the answer to this is $2x+y-z=2$
 
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karush said:
write a linear equation in 3 variables that is satisfied by all 3 of the given ordered triples

$(1,1,1), (0,2,0), (1,0,0)$

the examples in book are all on the $ax+by+cz=d$ equation but with just ordered triples there is no $d$ or can it be found from them... otherwise I would solve this by simultaneously.

the answer to this is $2x+y-z=2$

You have the linear system...

$\displaystyle a + b + c = d$

$\displaystyle 2 b = d$

$\displaystyle a = d\ (1)$

... the solution of which is $a=d,\ b= \frac{d}{2},\ c=- \frac{d}{2}$, so that You can write...

$\displaystyle a x + \frac{d}{2} y - \frac{d}{2} z = d \implies x + \frac{y}{2} - \frac{z}{2} = 1\ (2)$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
karush said:
write a linear equation in 3 variables that is satisfied by all 3 of the given ordered triples

$(1,1,1), (0,2,0), (1,0,0)$

the examples in book are all on the $ax+by+cz=d$ equation but with just ordered triples there is no $d$ or can it be found from them... otherwise I would solve this by simultaneously.

the answer to this is $2x+y-z=2$
I would have done this just a little differently from chisigma. First, note that there is no "unique" solution. for any ax+ by+ cz= d describing the line, you could multiply through by any number and get a new equation for the same line. You could. for example, divide both sides by d to get (a/d)x+ (b/d)y+ (c/d)z= 1, then let a'= a/d, b'= b/d, and c'= c/d so that the equation is a'x+ b'y+ c'z= 1, with only three unknown values.

I suspect that the answer you are asked for is the one that has all integer coefficients with no common factor.

Now, from ax+ by+ cz= d, (1, 1, 1) on the line means we must have a+ b+ c= d. (0, 2, 0) on the line means 0a+ 2b+ 0c= 2b= d. (1, 0, 0) on the line means 1a+ 0b+ 0c= a= d. Since both 2b and a are equal to d, a= 2b and we can replace both a and d with 2b in the first equation: 2b+ b+ c= 2b so that b+ c= 0 or b= -c.

Now we can write everything in terms of b: a= 2b, c= -b, d= 2b, and so the equation is
2bx+ by- bz= 2b. Here, b can be any (non-zero) number and still give an equation describing the line but dividing both sides of the equation by b gives
2x+ y- z= 2, the simplest form for the equation as all numbers are integers and they do not all have a common factor so cannot be reduced.
 
karush said:
write a linear equation in 3 variables that is satisfied by all 3 of the given ordered triples

$(1,1,1), (0,2,0), (1,0,0)$

the examples in book are all on the $ax+by+cz=d$ equation but with just ordered triples there is no $d$ or can it be found from them... otherwise I would solve this by simultaneously.

the answer to this is $2x+y-z=2$

There will be a unique plane which satisfies these three points simultaneously. The plane will have the same coefficients as its normal vector, and the normal vector will also be normal to any vectors in the plane. So if we can get two vectors that lie in the plane, taking their cross product will give the normal vector. Call two of these vectors \displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathbf{a} \end{align*} and \displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathbf{b} \end{align*}. We could have

\displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathbf{a} &= ( 1 - 0, 1 - 2, 1 - 0) \\ &= ( 1 , -1, 1 ) \\ \\ \mathbf{b} &= (1 - 0, 0 - 2, 0 - 0 ) \\ &= ( 1 , -2, 0) \end{align*}

\displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathbf{n} &= \mathbf{a} \times \mathbf{b} \\ &= \left| \begin{matrix} \mathbf{i} & \phantom{-}\mathbf{j} & \mathbf{k} \\ 1 & -1 & 1 \\ 1 & -2 & 0 \end{matrix} \right| \\ &= \mathbf{i} \, \left| \begin{matrix} -1 & 1 \\ -2 & 0 \end{matrix} \right| - \mathbf{j} \, \left| \begin{matrix} 1 & 1 \\ 1 & 0 \end{matrix} \right| + \mathbf{k} \, \left| \begin{matrix} 1 & -1 \\ 1 & -2 \end{matrix} \right| \\ &= \mathbf{i} \, \left[ -1 \cdot 0 - 1 \cdot (-2) \right] - \mathbf{j} \, \left( 1 \cdot 0 - 1 \cdot 1 \right) + \mathbf{k} \, \left[ 1 \cdot (-2) - (-1) \cdot 1 \right] \\ &= 2\,\mathbf{i} + \mathbf{j} - \mathbf{k} \end{align*}

The plane will have the same coefficients as the normal vector, so that gives \displaystyle \begin{align*} 2x + y - z = d \end{align*}. Since we have three points that lie on the plane, any of them can be substituted to find \displaystyle \begin{align*} d \end{align*}. If we substitute \displaystyle \begin{align*} (1, 0, 0) \end{align*} that gives

\displaystyle \begin{align*} 2 \cdot 1 + 0 - 0 &= d \\ 2 &= d \end{align*}

and thus the plane is \displaystyle \begin{align*} 2x + y - z = 2 \end{align*}.
 

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