A liquid hardening wax material?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a suitable wax-like material that can be applied to a surface and harden independently, specifically for creating fine details on plastic models. Participants explore various materials and methods, including waxes and epoxies, while considering their properties and suitability for the task.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a wax for hair removal, but is open to other ideas.
  • Another participant proposes dissolving wax in a fast evaporating solvent for application, noting the health risks associated with such solvents.
  • A different participant mentions melting wax for coating, highlighting its effectiveness for bonding but not for achieving a smooth surface.
  • One participant recommends epoxies, emphasizing the need for a viscous liquid that self-levels and solidifies quickly, while cautioning about the heat generated by fast-setting epoxies that could damage plastic.
  • Another participant discusses the potential of paraffin wax, noting its low melting point and the implications of using soft wax for molding.
  • One suggestion includes using Plaster of Paris with thixotropic agents for carving, while also considering low melting point eutectics as an alternative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of opinions on the best material to use, with no consensus reached. Some favor wax, while others advocate for epoxies or Plaster of Paris, indicating a range of competing views.

Contextual Notes

Participants note various limitations, such as the potential for heat generation from certain epoxies affecting plastic, the softness of wax impacting mold creation, and the need for sealing materials after carving.

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A liquid wax material that hardens
I need a wax like material I can buy that I can paint onto a surface and then have it harden on it's own. I want to create fine details on a plastic model, so I would coat the model in wax with a brush, have the wax dry, and then sculpt out the details later.

My ideas so far are wax for waxing off hair, though I wanted to see if you guys have any better ideas.

Thanks!
 
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You could try dissolving wax in a fast evaporating solvent, then painting it on. But fast evaporating solvents are generally something that are not good to breathe.

I have coated things with wax by melting the wax, then painting it on with a brush. It worked very well for bonding to the surface and for building up thickness. Not so well for getting a smooth surface, but you could do a smoothing operation after the building up operation.
 
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Thanks for your suggestion! I'm still unsure if wax is the way to go though, but I suppose it's worth a try.
 
An alternative to wax may be one of the epoxies. It seems that the needed characteristics are:
  • somewhat viscous liquid to apply
  • rather high surface tension for self-leveling and smooth surface
  • moderately short time to solidify
  • workable with hand tools after hardening
Generally speaking, the faster an epoxy sets, the softer it is. The over-the-counter 5-minute epoxies would be a place to start the experiment. The setting time can be modified with temperature, they take longer to set at lower temperatures because chemical activity roughly halves for every 10°C drop.

The drawback is there is no second chance without using some rather nasty solvent.

(2nd thought, how about some White Glue... like Elmers?)

Cheers,
Tom
 
depending on the plastic, avoid any overly fast setting epoxies - they generate a lot of heat, and can melt plastic. Typically if you mix it in a plastic cup, as what's left in the cup cures, it crinkles down due to the heat.

paraffin wax has a low melting point and might serve for what you need. It depends if you want the final result to be sturdy, or just to make a mould of the model. Bear in mind that a soft wax will remain soft - if you make a mould, the wax will likely distort as you remove the model from it. you'll get one mould, but will have to make subsequent ones from a casting rather than the original master.
 
Off the top of my head, I would be thinking of Plaster of Paris with a thixotropic agent added. Wyoming Bentonite would spring to mind or possibly xanthan gum as readily available additives. I expect there are some fancy ones on the market that would be even better

I know that Plaster of Paris carves like a dream between setting and drying fully

If you have some leeway on applying hot materials, I would explore low melting point eutectics of inorganic chemicals or even organic ones. Most of the systems I know of would need sealing after carving because of their water solubility. Sorry, just freewheeling a bit here
 

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