A Problem on Thermal Equilibrium

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The problem involves an aluminum rod and a copper rod in thermal contact, where the aluminum rod is initially at a higher temperature. The objective is to determine the original temperature of the copper rod and the final equilibrium temperature after they reach thermal equilibrium, given their dimensions and material properties.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss using the heat transfer equation and the thermal expansion formula to relate the temperatures and lengths of the rods. There are questions about how to derive the necessary equations for two objects in thermal equilibrium.

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Some participants have provided equations and suggested relationships between the temperatures and lengths of the rods. There is ongoing exploration of how to express the unknown temperatures in terms of the known values and equations. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being considered.

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Participants note specific material properties such as densities, specific heats, and coefficients of linear expansion for both aluminum and copper, which are relevant to the calculations but not fully resolved in the discussion.

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The problem is

An aluminum rod with cross-sectional area 0.0400 cm^2 and length 80.00 cm at a temperature of 140.0 celsius is laid alongside a copper rod of cross-sectional area 0.0200 cm^2 and length 79.92 cm at temperature T. The two rods are laid alongside each other so that they are in thermal contact. No heat is lost to the surroundings, and after they have come to thermal equilibrium, they are observed to be the same length. Calculate the original temperature T of the copper rod and the final temperature of the rods after they come to equilibrium.

I tried using the MCAT equation (Q = mc X Delta T) but I can't seem to derive a formula that works for the lengths of TWO objects in thermal equilbrium. In my textbook there is a formula that says that

The Change in the Length = Alpha X Initial Length X The Change in Temperature

I'm not sure if this helps, but I have worked hard on this problem, and asked several people for advice, ultimately gaining no progress. My book has the answers, but I need to know how to solve this one, not just the answer. But if it helps, the answer is:

89.7 Degrees celsius for the Original Temperature of Copper.
119.2 Degrees celsius for the final temperature of the two rods after they come to equilbrium.

Thanks to all that help me.
 
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Eq. 1) Q = m cp [itex]\Delta\,T[/itex]

and

Eq. 2) [itex]\Delta l[/itex] = [itex]\alpha\,\Delta\,T[/itex], where [itex]\alpha[/itex] is the thermal expansion coefficient of the material.

Let Th = the initial 140°C.

One has to find Teq (i.e. equilibrium), and Tc (i.e. cold). And one has two equations.

The heat lost from Al has to equal heat absorbed by copper.

[itex]\Delta T[/itex] (Al) = Th - Teq
[itex]\Delta T[/itex] (Cu) = Tc - Teq

If one needs to find mass, it is just density * volume.

One also knows that the length at Teq is the same for both rods, so that gives a second equation with Th, Teq, and Tc by virtue of Eq. 2.
 
But how does one find [tex]T_c[/tex]?
Also, I regret mentioning that I was given the following values:
[tex]P_a[/tex] = 2.7 X 10^3 Kg / m^3
[tex]C_a[/tex] = 910 J/Kg-k
[tex]P_c[/tex] = 8.4 X 10 ^3 Kg/ m^3
[tex]C_c[/tex] = 390 J/ Kg-k
Coefficient of Linear Expansion for Aluminum:
2.4 X 10^(-5)
Coefficient of Linear Expansion for Copper:
1.7 X 10^(-5)
 
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If one writes the thermal equilibrium equation in terms of Tc and Teq, and one writes the equation for the equivalent length in terms of the same temperatures, then one has two equations and two unknowns, which one wishes to find.

One can use direct substitution, to find either temperature.
 

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