Comparing Coefficients of Thermal Expansion in Solid Rods

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The discussion revolves around comparing the coefficients of thermal expansion for an aluminum rod and a copper rod, particularly focusing on their lengths at 0 degrees Celsius and the implications of their differing expansivities.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the coefficients of thermal expansion and the initial lengths of the rods, questioning why the lengths cannot be reversed based on the given expansivities.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the reasoning behind the relationship between the materials' expansivities and their lengths, suggesting that understanding which material has a higher coefficient can clarify the expected lengths. There appears to be a productive exchange of ideas, with some participants gaining clarity on the topic.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a teacher's feedback regarding the lengths calculated, which may influence participants' understanding of the problem. Additionally, the discussion includes a request for calculations to facilitate better understanding.

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Homework Statement


the difference in length between an aluminium rod and a copper rof at 0 degreeC is 2cm. If they have the same difference in length at any temperature difference, what are the length of the 2 rods at 0 degreeC.?
Al - expansivity = 20*10^-4 K^-1
Cu- expansivity= 15*10^-6 K^-1

Homework Equations


alpha inversely proportional to the initial length

The Attempt at a Solution


i divided the expansivities of the two rods and made it equal to the ratio of theinitial lengths of the rods and got the length of the Al rod as 6 cm and the Cu rod as 8 cm. Which is the answer the school teacher said is correct. I can't understand why it can't be the other way around.
 
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Avaron Cooper said:
I can't understand why it can't be the other way around.
Think of it like this, if these two rods should have the same difference in lengths then the change in length has to be same, and hence you get
Avaron Cooper said:
alpha inversely proportional to the initial length
Now which material has the higher alpha? knowing that you can judge which should be shorter and which should be longer.
If not why don't you provide your calculations, it'll be easier to explain it to you or rather you'll figure it out yourself.
 
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Suraj M said:
Think of it like this, if these two rods should have the same difference in lengths then the change in length has to be same, and hence you get

Now which material has the higher alpha? knowing that you can judge which should be shorter and which should be longer.
If not why don't you provide your calculations, it'll be easier to explain it to you or rather you'll figure it out yourself.
okay.. Now I understand. Since Al has the higher alpha it should have the lower initial length. Thank you very much!
 
Please proofread correct your expansivities (or as we yanks say, coefficients of expansion).
 

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