A question concerning EVOLUTION that I don't understand

  • Thread starter Thread starter seasnake
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Evolution
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the evolution of eyes and vision in various species, exploring how such complex traits could arise independently in different lineages. Participants express confusion about the statistical likelihood of multiple species developing similar features and the implications of evolutionary theory regarding mutation and natural selection.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how many species today possess eyes if no creatures had them at one point in Earth's history, suggesting a lack of relatedness among species.
  • Another participant proposes that eyes may have originated from simple photoreceptor cells in single-celled organisms, evolving through natural selection to become more complex.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the statistical likelihood of similar innovations, like eyes and limbs, arising independently across species, likening it to winning the lottery over billions of years.
  • There is a suggestion that the development of eyes could be seen as a beneficial mutation that would be preserved through natural selection, which is not entirely random but directed by survival pressures.
  • A later reply emphasizes that natural selection requires advantageous mutations to outcompete others, implying that if a mutation were disadvantageous, it would challenge the validity of evolutionary theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of evolution, the role of natural selection, and the implications of statistical likelihood in the development of similar traits across species. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of mutations and their advantages or disadvantages remain unexamined, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of evolutionary processes or the definitions of relatedness among species.

seasnake
Messages
41
Reaction score
0
The thing I don't understand about evolution is how if at one time on Earth no creature had eyes to see with, how so many species today have eyes and eye sight. If many isn't related to several, if not most, of the pre-historic man/ape like species you would also expect that man isn't related to most of the pre-historic non-man/ape like creatures as well, and this would go for all the other species not being related to each other as well in terms of passing down changes and mistakes in DNA resulting in eyes and vision.

What puzzles me even more is the statistical likelihood of different species of creatures developing the same innovations like eyes, ears, same number limbs for mobility, and so forth. Perhaps the eye-vision system was like some sort of ancient disease, get bit by a certain type of misquito or bug, or on an ifected newt, and you and your offspring come down with a bad case of having eyes.
 
Biology news on Phys.org
The thinking is that eyes started out as photoreceptor cells, or even a photosensitive vacuoles (phytochromes) within single-celled organisms. These would have come in handy when trying to avoid predators, or find prey, as they blocked out light, or in moving towards sources of light (for organisms capable of photosynthesis). Specialization and refinement into what we know as eyes would have then come via evolution / selection.

The Wikipedia article may be a good starting point (especially since I'm not a biologist):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_eye
 
seasnake said:
What puzzles me even more is the statistical likelihood of different species of creatures developing the same innovations like eyes, ears, same number limbs for mobility, and so forth. Perhaps the eye-vision system was like some sort of ancient disease, get bit by a certain type of misquito or bug, or on an ifected newt, and you and your offspring come down with a bad case of having eyes.
The odds of winning the lottery are pretty bad (so bad, no one should ever do it), but if you play the lottery every day for 3 billion years, you'll actually win quite a few times!
The thing I don't understand about evolution is how if at one time on Earth no creature had eyes to see with, how so many species today have eyes and eye sight. If many isn't related to several, if not most, of the pre-historic man/ape like species you would also expect that man isn't related to most of the pre-historic non-man/ape like creatures as well, and this would go for all the other species not being related to each other as well in terms of passing down changes and mistakes in DNA resulting in eyes and vision.
I'm not sure what you mean there - having eyes and being able to see is an advantage, so most animals would keep mutations that improve their eyesight. Evolution is not, strictly speaking, a random thing, it is directed by a sort of pressure to survive and propagate.
 
seasnake:

Natural selection works locally, bith in a spatial and temporal sense.

THat means that at every point where some mutation outcompetes another mutation, then the theory of natural selection DEMANDS that there must have been some advantage of the winning mutation relative to the loser.

If it COULD be proven in some case, that the winning mutation in a statistically significant population actually ONLY had disadvantages relative to the losing mutation, then the theory of evolution would have been proved wrong.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
9K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
Replies
26
Views
20K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
4K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
4K