A question regarding transmission line

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of waves in transmission lines, particularly focusing on the reflection of waves and the conditions under which power is dissipated at the load. Participants explore concepts related to impedance, standing waves, and energy reflection in both theoretical and practical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the apparent contradiction of placing a load at the position of Vmax in a stationary wave, suggesting that this should lead to all power being dissipated and no reflection occurring.
  • Another participant notes that if the load impedance is higher than the characteristic impedance, the load experiences Vmax, implying a relationship between impedance and wave behavior.
  • A different perspective is offered regarding EM wave reflection, emphasizing the importance of matching impedances to ensure that voltage and current work together effectively, while also mentioning that more complex solutions exist for specific applications.
  • One participant clarifies that when waves are reflected, it is energy that is reflected, not power, and discusses the role of impedance in generating standing wave patterns and the implications of adding loads along the transmission line.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between load placement, impedance, and wave reflection. There is no consensus on the resolution of the initial contradiction raised, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

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The discussion includes assumptions about impedance matching and the behavior of waves in transmission lines, which may not be universally applicable. The complexity of certain solutions and their dependence on specific conditions are acknowledged but not resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying electrical engineering, particularly in the areas of transmission line theory, wave behavior, and impedance matching.

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When wave is reflected back means power is reflected back and not all power is consumed at the load. But I am thinking if I placed the load at the position of Vmax (of the stationary wave formed by the incident and reflected wave). Isn't that all the power will be dissipated at the load, so there should be no wave reflected back? Why is there a contradiction?
 
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If the load impedance is higher than the characteristic impedance, the load already experiences Vmax.
 
One way of looking at EM wave reflection is that either the voltage is at max and the current is zero (for an open) or the current is at max and the voltage is zero (for a short). The key is to get the voltage and current to work together. We do this by matching impedances.

There are other, more complicated solutions which rely on frequency and geometry, but those are usually reserved for weird applications. (I saw an air gap transmission line used as a lightning protector for a narrow frequency signal once; clever.)

It is poor design practice to use such clever tricks unless they are needed though. One ding and the system might literally burn.
 
yykcw said:
When wave is reflected back means power is reflected back and not all power is consumed at the load.
To be more precise, it is energy that is reflected. Power is the rate of flow of energy.

There are two independent signals, one traveling in each direction. The impedance of a transmission line sets the ratio of voltage to current in each of those signals. The sum of those signals generates the standing wave pattern.

In order to get a voltage node there must be an impedance mismatch to reflect the energy in the first place. If you parallel another load somewhere on the line it will change the original line length and so move the voltage node somewhere else.
 

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