A quick question from a layman about folding space time

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Folding space-time is often illustrated through the concept of a wormhole, which serves as a shortcut between distant points in the universe. The discussion clarifies that while diagrams may show space as folded, this is merely a visual aid, and actual folding does not occur in the physical sense. Poking a hole in this folded space changes its topology, potentially complicating the ability to navigate between points. There are no catastrophic effects from simply folding space-time, as it operates under certain symmetries, but altering its structure could lead to complexities in mapping neighborhoods around the holes. Overall, the conversation emphasizes that while the concept is intriguing, the practical implications remain largely theoretical.
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I was just doing some thinking about the folding of space time. I have seen a demonstration that a piece of paper is folded in two and a hole is poked through the two layers. Are there any negative consequences and if so what are the consequences of folding space time, and what are the consequences of poking a hole in it? Forgive me for my ignorance in physics, but when I have a question I found that it is best to go to the most qualified source for the answer. I am not, by any means, a physicist. Thank you ahead of time for your thoughts and hypothesis.
 
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Hello Kargo! Welcome to PF! :smile:
Kargo said:
I have seen a demonstration that a piece of paper is folded in two and a hole is poked through the two layers.
Are there any negative consequences and if so what are the consequences of folding space time, and what are the consequences of poking a hole in it?

Yes, that's the standard picture of a "wormhole" …

a short-cut between two points in space which are a long distance apart.

Some people speculate that when a black hole is formed, and things literally disappear into the singularity, they reappear somewhere else in the universe in a sort of "white hole".

But nothing is folded … the diagram shows the space folded only so as to get it all on the same page! :biggrin:

Google "wormhole", and you'll find loads of information! :wink:
 
I don't get the question that much...
putting a hole in the folded one, means that you change the topology of it.

what also do you mean what's the consequences of folding it? Nothing really. The folding happens over a symmetry (eg conformal symmetry), so either you work on the 1st or the 2nd space, you can go between each other without a problem. Now if you change/drop out pieces of one of the space, then I am not sure if you can go back to your initial without a problem (what about the points around the holes? you can't find a neighborhood around them that can be mapped in a neighborhood of the other). If someone can correct my idea if it's wrong...
 
tiny-tim said:
Hello Kargo! Welcome to PF! :smile:


Yes, that's the standard picture of a "wormhole" …

a short-cut between two points in space which are a long distance apart.

Some people speculate that when a black hole is formed, and things literally disappear into the singularity, they reappear somewhere else in the universe in a sort of "white hole".

But nothing is folded … the diagram shows the space folded only so as to get it all on the same page! :biggrin:
Google "wormhole", and you'll find loads of information! :wink:


Thanks Tim for clearing up the whole folding thing, I will google wormhole.
 
ChrisVer said:
I don't get the question that much...
putting a hole in the folded one, means that you change the topology of it.

what also do you mean what's the consequences of folding it? Nothing really. The folding happens over a symmetry (eg conformal symmetry), so either you work on the 1st or the 2nd space, you can go between each other without a problem. Now if you change/drop out pieces of one of the space, then I am not sure if you can go back to your initial without a problem (what about the points around the holes? you can't find a neighborhood around them that can be mapped in a neighborhood of the other). If someone can correct my idea if it's wrong...

I apologize for my ignorance on this subject. What I was trying to find out is what if any catastrophic effect might happen?
 
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