A simple equality of Generalized Lorentz Operators

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The discussion centers on the equality of Generalized Lorentz Operators, specifically the operators defined as J^{\mu\nu} = i(x^{\mu}\partial^{\nu} - x^{\nu}\partial^{\mu}). The participants analyze the commutation relations [J^{\mu\nu}, J^{\rho\sigma}] and the definition of generalized rotation operators M^{i} = \epsilon_{ijk}J^{jk}. The main issue raised is the failure to demonstrate that M^{i} satisfies the SU(2) algebra, as the calculations yield zero instead of the expected result. The discussion highlights the importance of careful sign management in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


Hi

we have Lorentz operators
J^{\mu\nu} = i(x^{\mu}\partial^{\nu} - x^{\nu}\partial^{\mu})

and these have
[J^{\mu\nu}, J^{\rho\sigma}] = i(\eta^{\nu\rho}J^{\mu\sigma} + \eta^{\mu\sigma}J^{\nu\rho} - \eta^{\mu\rho}J^{\nu\sigma} - \eta^{\nu\sigma}J^{\mu\rho})

Now define generalized rotation operators, for i, j, k space coordinates
M^{i} = \epsilon_{ijk}J^{jk}

Show that M^{i} have the SU(2) algebra. i.e.
[M^{i}, M^{j}] = i\epsilon_{ijk}M^{k}

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The Attempt at a Solution


I've done a few attempts and failed. so I tried taking an example
M^{1}= \epsilon_{123}J^{23}+\epsilon_{132}J^{32} = J^{23} - J^{32}
M^{2}= \dots = J^{31} - J^{13}

and now
[M^{1},M^{2}] = [J^{23}, J^{31}] - [J^{32}, J^{31}] + [J^{23}, J^{13}] - [J^{32}, J^{13}]

well J^{ij} = -J^{ji} so the second term negates the first one (J^{32} for J^{23}) and like wise the fourth and third term. So all in all I get zero. and that's no SU(2) :(

where did I go wrong?

thanks a lot for reading this
Tamir
 
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Hello, tamiry.

tamiry said:
Now define generalized rotation operators, for i, j, k space coordinates
M^{i} = \epsilon_{ijk}J^{jk}

Did you leave out a factor of 1/2 here?

[M^{1},M^{2}] = [J^{23}, J^{31}] - [J^{32}, J^{31}] + [J^{23}, J^{13}] - [J^{32}, J^{13}]

J^{ij} = -J^{ji} so the second term negates the first one (J^{32} for J^{23}) and like wise the fourth and third term. So all in all I get zero.

Those terms don't cancel. Watch the signs carefully.
 
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