A simple pump driven by buoyancy

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The discussion revolves around analyzing a buoyancy-driven pump system, specifically a vertically-oriented tube submerged in water with heating elements. Participants explore the dynamics of heat transfer, fluid flow, and the governing equations for the system, focusing on theoretical modeling and assumptions regarding flow rates and energy input.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the system and suggests that the initial flow will be minimal until a sufficient temperature difference is established, allowing for a steady flow energy equation to be satisfied.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of insulation around the heating element to prevent heat loss to the surrounding water, which could affect efficiency.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between the flow rate and the temperature of the water, noting that the efficiency of the pump may decrease as the surrounding water warms up.
  • A participant proposes a dual approach to the problem, suggesting calculations based on the power required to heat water and the buoyancy-driven rise of heated water, while also considering energy losses due to heat conduction.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to incorporate the density of heated water into their calculations and seeks guidance on establishing momentum and energy equations for a control volume.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to establish a simplified model for the system, but there are differing views on the specifics of how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the effects of surrounding water heating and the assumptions made in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations such as the assumption of perfect insulation, the neglect of surrounding water heating, and the need for further clarification on the equations governing the system.

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I'm a bit lost getting started analyzing the following system, a pump of sorts:

http://i.imgur.com/P82vtZ1.png

It consists of a vertically-orientated tube submerged in water with heating elements around the middle. Heat energy goes in, causing a temperature difference which drives a buoyant flow.

I reckon at first, there won't be much flow and the water in the tube will heat up. But once the temperature difference is high enough, the steady flow energy equation will be satisfied (the temperature and flow rate will be high enough that the enthalpy of the water leaving equals the heat energy and enthalpy coming in),

What I'm failing at completely is figuring out the flow rate through the system. I would be happy finding the body force on a block of warm fluid, but don't know how it will work with a control volume.

Could someone please help me write down the equations governing this system? I am happy to make every simplifying instruction, and am aiming to find what flow rate the system will settle at for a given heat input (assuming the tank is sufficiently large that ALL the water heating up is not a factor).
 
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Welcome to PF;
Off the diagram - the heating element raises the temperature of the water close to it, that water expands (against the surrounding pressure) and rises ... more water flows in from around the element - some of that water will flow into the tube.

Presumably you want to have very good insulation around the outside so the element won't directly heat the surrounding water?

The rate of flow depends on the temperature of the water inside the pipe, which will depend on how fast you can deliver heat to the water compared with how fast the water takes it away.

The surrounding water will eventually get warmer, making the pump less efficient.
(You don't need all the water to heat up, just the surrounding water.)

Aside: this pump is not "driven" by buoyancy... it is driven by the energy supplied to the heating element.
 
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Thanks Simon. I agree with each of your points.

In the first instance I am interested in 'setting up' the problem in a very simplified way - neglecting the surrounding water heating up, writing a momentum and energy equation for a control volume in the middle of the pipe. I can calculate the density of heated water but I don't know how to work it in.

(By the way, in case the diagram isn't clear, the heating elements are meant to be heating the fluid inside the tube only, and are assumed to be well insulated on the outside).
 
I'd work the problem from two ends ... how much power I have to supply to heat cold water to temp T when it is moving through a pipe area A at speed v ... the other end is how fast (speed v) does water at temp T rise through buoyancy.

That should get you into the ballpark ... there is also the energy to expand the water against the surrounding pressure (heated water has a bigger volume, so it must be displacing some cold water). You'll also still lose heat via conduction etc as prev mentioned... so all this will be minimum figures.

All that will end up telling you the speed vs energy input.
 

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