A A single molecule diffusion in ideal gas

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In the discussion on single molecule diffusion in an ideal gas, participants explore the movement of an atom, which travels in straight lines between collisions and acquires new velocities based on the Maxwell distribution. The focus is on determining the variance of the resulting spherical Gaussian distribution of the atom's position after multiple collisions, with considerations of whether the gas is distinguishable or indistinguishable. There is debate about how the new velocities are influenced by prior velocities and the nature of collisions, particularly in a hard-sphere model. The challenge lies in modeling the connection between the atom's final state and its original velocity after numerous collisions. The conversation highlights the complexities of diffusion and the need for further exploration of the underlying principles.
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Let us have an ideal gas. When we focus on a single atom, its movement should consist of straight lines from collision to collision. After each collision it should get a new random velocity according to Maxwell distribution. After N collisions, the position of the atom should correspond to a spherical gaussian distribution around its original position.

The question is: What should be the variance of this distribution in terms of thermodynamic parameters?
 
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Galedon said:
Let us have an ideal gas. When we focus on a single atom, its movement should consist of straight lines from collision to collision. After each collision it should get a new random velocity according to Maxwell distribution.
Surely the new random velocity is not obtained directly from the Maxwell distribution. The distribution of resulting velocities should show bias based on the prior velocity.
 
Galedon said:
focus on a single atom,
"Distinguishable or indistinguishable;" i.e, mixture, or not? See "self diffusion" in Hirschfelder, et al.
 
Bystander said:
"Distinguishable or indistinguishable;" i.e, mixture, or not? See "self diffusion" in Hirschfelder, et al.
Thank you for answer.
Lets make an imaginary marker on it to make id distinguishable. I will look into the article (you mean the one from 1949, right?), but if you could point me a little further, I would be grateful.
 
jbriggs444 said:
Surely the new random velocity is not obtained directly from the Maxwell distribution. The distribution of resulting velocities should show bias based on the prior velocity.
In a hard-sphere model it should "exchange" its velocity with the random molecule it collided with.
 
Galedon said:
In a hard-sphere model it should "exchange" its velocity with the random molecule it collided with.
In a head on impact, yes. But not all impacts are head on.
 
jbriggs444 said:
In a head on impact, yes. But not all impacts are head on.
I see - but how to model it? The assumption is that "a lot" of collisions appeared, how to connect the final state with the original velocity?
 
Galedon said:
I see - but how to model it? The assumption is that "a lot" of collisions appeared, how to connect the final state with the original velocity?
I do not know.
 

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