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- I'm looking for feedback on this before I get too far. I want to set a max speed limit on this model train to avoid derailing.
I have a "262 Lionel Line" O gauge train, from the early 1930's. It has sentimental value, my Father-In-Law (RIP) got it as a gift when he was about age 10. I've set it up each Christmas, a short track around the tree. But it is difficult to control, the gearing is high (it goes fast), so reducing power to it to reduce speed results in frequent stalling at some points. It's a very fine line between too fast and stalling (like keeping the 0-100 knob from maybe 28-32, it's that 'tight'). I'd like to be able to set it and let it run, but I often have to modulate the throttle to keep it in limits. Typically, I need to advance the knob to ~ 50~60 to start from a stop. Especially now that my two grandsons were thrilled with it this year, I'd like to be able to let them run it next year.
FYI, here's a coupe videos of this model:
Some details: The controller I'm using is a fairly modern one, it uses an SCR/TRIAC to chop the 60 Hz 20V peak AC wave, so under normal operation it does see a 20V peak, which I think is good for providing torque under partial power. The train draws ~ 1.0~1.3 Amp running, and draws ~ 2 Amp to start. I tried a motor controller that puts out a 25KHz, 0~100% duty cycle wave, connected to a 15V 7A DC supply. No real difference in operation. I had thought about a much lower frequency chopped wave, but I doubt that would be much different than a 60 Hz chop (which I guess is really 120 Hz for a Universal motor). I also tried a constant current supply, and that seemed about the same as well.
My plan: I don't think I can do much from the supply side alone. I think I need feedback from the train speed. I thought about feedback from the train back to the controller, but that got complex. Now I'm thinking about a local electronic switch in the locomotive. Something that could easily be un-done to restore the train to original condition, if needed. My idea is to add an optical detector on the locomotive, a convenient place is underside where a 'push rod' comes through. I could obtain a pulse for each wheel revolution. One rev of the drive wheel takes the train ~ 4.25" (~ 11cm). I measured my slowest/fastest practical speeds for one lap to be from ~ 15 inches/sec to 25 inches/second. So that would give me ~ 3 ~ 6 intervals detected per second, which should be enough for good response. The 3 pole motor turns about 5:1 with the drive wheels.
I really just want to limit the top speed. I think I can use two 555 timers such that I keep power switched ON to the motor when the interval between pulses from the detector is > X mSec, and I'd cut power (internally) if the interval is < X mSec. I could have a small pot on the locomotive to fine tune the top speed. I think this should be fairly simple, though I haven't detailed out the exact configuration yet. And I can full wave rectify the input so I'm just working with DC.
The advantages I see is that should be pretty easy to undo if desired, and it doesn't require a special/modified power supply. I can use that just as I do now, and adjust it to control acceleration - it just wouldn't have much effect once the train has exceeded a set speed (the train would start cutting power internally at that point).
FYI, here's a coupe videos of this model:
Some details: The controller I'm using is a fairly modern one, it uses an SCR/TRIAC to chop the 60 Hz 20V peak AC wave, so under normal operation it does see a 20V peak, which I think is good for providing torque under partial power. The train draws ~ 1.0~1.3 Amp running, and draws ~ 2 Amp to start. I tried a motor controller that puts out a 25KHz, 0~100% duty cycle wave, connected to a 15V 7A DC supply. No real difference in operation. I had thought about a much lower frequency chopped wave, but I doubt that would be much different than a 60 Hz chop (which I guess is really 120 Hz for a Universal motor). I also tried a constant current supply, and that seemed about the same as well.
My plan: I don't think I can do much from the supply side alone. I think I need feedback from the train speed. I thought about feedback from the train back to the controller, but that got complex. Now I'm thinking about a local electronic switch in the locomotive. Something that could easily be un-done to restore the train to original condition, if needed. My idea is to add an optical detector on the locomotive, a convenient place is underside where a 'push rod' comes through. I could obtain a pulse for each wheel revolution. One rev of the drive wheel takes the train ~ 4.25" (~ 11cm). I measured my slowest/fastest practical speeds for one lap to be from ~ 15 inches/sec to 25 inches/second. So that would give me ~ 3 ~ 6 intervals detected per second, which should be enough for good response. The 3 pole motor turns about 5:1 with the drive wheels.
I really just want to limit the top speed. I think I can use two 555 timers such that I keep power switched ON to the motor when the interval between pulses from the detector is > X mSec, and I'd cut power (internally) if the interval is < X mSec. I could have a small pot on the locomotive to fine tune the top speed. I think this should be fairly simple, though I haven't detailed out the exact configuration yet. And I can full wave rectify the input so I'm just working with DC.
The advantages I see is that should be pretty easy to undo if desired, and it doesn't require a special/modified power supply. I can use that just as I do now, and adjust it to control acceleration - it just wouldn't have much effect once the train has exceeded a set speed (the train would start cutting power internally at that point).