A speed limiter for a Universal Motor in an old Lionel Train

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of controlling the speed of a Universal Motor in a vintage Lionel train, specifically focusing on the implementation of a speed limiter. Participants explore various technical solutions, including feedback mechanisms and circuit designs, while addressing issues related to stalling and track conductivity.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the difficulty in controlling the train's speed due to high gearing and frequent stalling, suggesting the need for a speed limiter that could be easily undone.
  • Another participant proposes using an Arduino for the project, but the original poster believes simpler components like 555 timers may suffice.
  • Some participants discuss the potential for wireless communication to control the speed limiter, while others emphasize the benefits of an onboard solution.
  • Concerns are raised about the train stalling at certain track sections, with suggestions to improve track conductivity and questions about the train's uphill sections.
  • One participant reflects on the historical context of controllers, comparing the effectiveness of older sliding contact designs to modern rheostat controllers, which may not be ideal.
  • There is a discussion about the characteristics of Universal Motors and their tendency to "run away" at high RPMs, raising questions about the appropriateness of the current motor controller setup.
  • A participant inquires about the voltage at the motor during speed adjustments, expressing confusion over the motor controller's performance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the best approach to limit speed and improve performance, with no consensus reached on the effectiveness of various proposed solutions or the underlying issues causing stalling.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to the mechanical design of the train, the characteristics of the motor, and the potential impact of track conditions on performance. There are unresolved questions regarding the effectiveness of different controller types and the specific causes of stalling.

  • #31
Nice !
IMHO, you still need to find the 'sweet spot' for the PWM frequency on load...
 
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  • #32
I suggest a variac which is a 0 to 130 volt variable AC transformer. If you connect it to a 12 or 15 VAC transformer you will have a close approximation of what Lionel used in their transformers. They come in different wattage ratings. A small one is not too expensive and will probably work fine.

Al
 

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